FarFromSam Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Hey, I'm new to demons and had a question about denizens of the warp. Can I deep strike turn one using the rule as written since codex trumps core rule book. Or is there another book I need to buy with more new rules? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352447-denizens-of-the-warp-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Per the Big FAQ, no you cannot deep-strike out of your deployment zone turn 1 in any manner whatsoever. Sadly >.> Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352447-denizens-of-the-warp-question/#findComment-5217933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trollbeard Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Well, it’s even worse now, reinforcements can’t come in until turn 2 at the earliest now. And if they don’t come in turn 3 they are destroyed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352447-denizens-of-the-warp-question/#findComment-5217938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarFromSam Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 Thanks for the quick replies. Shame to hear that. So what trumps what now? What book supersedes what? Thank you again! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352447-denizens-of-the-warp-question/#findComment-5217962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarFromSam Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 Duplicate post! So the benefit of the strategem over regular summoning is... that... it's more reliable? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352447-denizens-of-the-warp-question/#findComment-5217969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Duplicate post! So the benefit of the strategem over regular summoning is... that... it's more reliable? The benefit even after repeated horrendous nerfs is that units OFF the table stay alive better than units ON the table. GW apparently listened to all the nwbs that didnt use screens to protect their derpy gunline. There is a silver lining in this though.. maybe. There really isnt any more design space to go in terms of nerfs. Either we have the current system or do not have deep strike. So take some solace in that. Oh, and keep tabling all the idiots that still aren't screening. Just do it turn 2. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352447-denizens-of-the-warp-question/#findComment-5218056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Closet Skeleton Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 I don't think anywhere in 8th says that codex trumps rulebook, that was how previous editions did stuff. 8th ed just goes by the more intuitive "special rules treat normal circumstances". Denizens of the Warp doesn't trump anything because its just reserves and all reserves work the same. You can use Denizens of the Warp to drop stuff down on turn 1 outside of matched play. In 8th codexes are for all forms of play while the reserves rules change depending on the type of game so it wouldn't make much sense for codexes to trump anything when some stratagems aren't designed for competitive play (eg Tyranid Pheremone trail or the Valhallan next wave thing). You can't use the banner of blood from summoning, that's the main reason to use the stratagem. Summoning also needs a character to move into range. GW apparently listened to all the nwbs that didnt use screens to protect their derpy gunline. There is a silver lining in this though.. maybe. There really isnt any more design space to go in terms of nerfs. Either we have the current system or do not have deep strike. So take some solace in that. Oh, and keep tabling all the idiots that still aren't screening. Just do it turn 2. The deepstrike nerf was to stop short range guns performing shooting alpha strikes, not melee deepstrikers. They then changed it from the beta "own deployment zone only" version to the current version because despite high tier players being pleased they couldn't come up with an answer when people asked what the fluff justification for the beta version was. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352447-denizens-of-the-warp-question/#findComment-5218129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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