Primaris shoulder pad question

[ServoBadger]

Sorry if this has been covered before, but what do Primaris marines recruited directly into the Deathwatch under the Ultimaris Decree have on their right shoulder pad?

[Syward]

Interesting question. I'd be curious to know the answer also.

[Mr4Minutes]

I don’t know the official answer, but I’d guess their original chapter symbol, as they wear it on their left shoulder pad while they are grey shields.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

You arent supposed to ask these kinds of queries. :D

[Syward]

I don’t know the official answer, but I’d guess their original chapter symbol, as they wear it on their left shoulder pad while they are grey shields.

I suppose that makes sense - to use the chapter from their Gene-Seed for those who weren't yet assigned/part of a chapter before Papa Smurf sent them over to the DW.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Deathwatch only takes vets keep that in mind .

[Mr4Minutes]

Deathwatch only takes vets keep that in mind .

This is true, but the crusade was over 100 years. Those primaris marines who fought over the entirety of it would be vets. (Hence the Vigilus formation)

[Cryptix]

I would guess the grey chevrons if the chapter is unknown, otherwise what Mr4Minutes said

[Black Knight]

Had the same question a few months back, the consensus was, for grey shields, grey main colour either blank or with a double inverted chevron(A smaller double "heavy support" shoulder mark).

 

I went with just grey for now until I can get some smaller chevron markings.

 

[ServoBadger]

The blank grey pads look good, and are convenient because I can't freehand chapter badges and I've over used Ultramarines and Blood Angels pads on my Veterans already.

 

Thanks!

[Syward]

Deathwatch only takes vets keep that in mind .

True, however the blurb from the Ultimaris Decree says that Guilliman "... also seconded several chapters' worth of the newly awakened Primaris Battle-Brothers and deployed them ... directly to the Watch Fortresses scattered across the Imperium. "  and that "...Watchmasters accepted these untested new recruits with out question..."

 

So there was a very large number of Primaris that were sent to the DW w/out a Chapter and w/out being Veteran status.

 

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[Black Knight]

At the start of the crusade you would have the Grey Shields and as the decades went on you would have the Chapter Aligned Veterans appear. This allows me to only have to carve up one shoulder pad of the Dark Imperium models to make them deathwatch and later when I get the none easy to build models I will add the chapter pads. Works perfectly.

[Gederas]

Deathwatch only takes vets keep that in mind .

Haven't read some of the more recent fluff, have you?

 

In Deathwatch: Ignition one of the marines is recruited despite being a Blood Claw in the Space Wolves. And I think it's been shown that veterancy isn't the requirement, just that you're REALLY good at killing Xenos and impressed a member of the Watch.

 

[Black Knight]

 

Deathwatch only takes vets keep that in mind .

Haven't read some of the more recent fluff, have you?

 

In Deathwatch: Ignition one of the marines is recruited despite being a Blood Claw in the Space Wolves. And I think it's been shown that veterancy isn't the requirement, just that you're REALLY good at killing Xenos and impressed a member of the Watch.

 

 

 

Or you are a litteral pain in the :cuss and they send you to the Deathwatch Boarding school for young Marines. Every Chapter has a different view of how they see the Deathwatch.

[MadEdric]

I'll be adopting the "Greyshield" motif as well. I plain grey shoulder pad, most likely with squad or battle markings.

[Lemondish]

 

 

Deathwatch only takes vets keep that in mind .

Haven't read some of the more recent fluff, have you?

 

In Deathwatch: Ignition one of the marines is recruited despite being a Blood Claw in the Space Wolves. And I think it's been shown that veterancy isn't the requirement, just that you're REALLY good at killing Xenos and impressed a member of the Watch.

Or if you're a troublemaker or otherwise disruptive. Which sounds pretty cool for a Blood Claw so crazy not even the wolves could stand him.

 

I'll be adopting the "Greyshield" motif as well. I plain grey shoulder pad, most likely with squad or battle markings.

I think I'll be doing a grey shield with the relevant transfer on the pad. Should look kind of subdued for the white icons, which should be neat.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

There is another reason as well and I am quite surprised none of the smarty bois brought it up by now.

[Sete]

I'm gonna go with DW makes their own Primaris now lol.

Black shields all around.

[Xisor]

Whilst I like the answer: Grey Shield, I also don't like the answer Grey Shield.

 

How many strands of the Indomitus (etc) Crusade(s) were there? For how long? To where? Which campaigns? Which heroes? Which follies?

 

How did they interface with the Inquisition, with existing Masters that they encounter along the way?

 

Practically, the Grey Shields would be no more 'bare and barren' - boring - than any other element of the Black Templars (non-Hellbrecht Crusade), or the non-Blackmane Space Wolves.

 

Hell, even they have more definition.

 

Or what about pre-Primarch Legions?

 

Each and every one famously absurdly grey and outrageously boring. No honours, no distinguishing features, no character.

 

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The Stormcast had the decency of being colourful when they rolled off the assembly line!

 

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To that end, I'm hoping to go free-hand as much as possible. Maybe look at many variations of Grey Shield in the context of, say, knowing their lineage, icons of sectors, campaign badges... all that sort of thing.

 

Who knows, maybe I'll hit upon something interesting!

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

There could an alliterate allusion to Dorrian Grey .

[Prot]

If you’re asking about Primaris going right from Indomitus to Deathwatch, then to me these are the Grey Shields. I have painted a few models from every squad to show the grey shield designation. I think it looks fine and it’s a cool and a sort of badge of honour to me for those that came over in the early years.

[Syward]

I'd say if you wanted to have some of the Primaris that went directly to the DW via the Ultimaris Decree, I'd represent them in one of the following ways:

 

1. Display the heraldry of their Gene-Seed (seems most likely/plausible to me)

 

2. Display them with a Black Shoulder with DW/Inquisition heraldry - presumably, because they were sent to the DW before they had any official Chapter ties, they'd be permanent members of the DW as they have no parent Chapter to return to. (this is how I'd personally represent them)

 

3. Paint them up as Grey Shields using either Gray Shoulder pads and their Gene-Seed heraldry, or using their normal Gene-Seed heraldry & colors with gray chevrons.

 

 

There is another reason as well and I am quite surprised none of the smarty bois brought it up by now.

 

What do you think the chances are that the Primaris sent to the DW via the Ultimaris Decree are from the 2nd or 11th Legions Gene-Seed and that's why they were sent directly to the DW instead of being dispersed to other Chapters? 

 

OR

 

Every one of the Ultimaris Decree Primaris sent to the DW are from the Ultramarine Gene-Seed so that Papa Smurf can recall "several chapters' worth" of highly trained Astartes back into his service bringing the Ultramarines back to Legion strength? (Never trust some one who's risen from the dead  and/or mysteriously returned I say - every TV show and/or Movie has taught us so! LOL)

[Inquisitor Red]

Honestly all of these answers are a mute point now. Sense Calgar proved that regular Marines can be upgraded into a Primaris. That means make your Primaris Marines any chapter you want, sense they can be Veterans that were converted.

[Syward]

Honestly all of these answers are a mute point now. Sense Calgar proved that regular Marines can be upgraded into a Primaris. That means make your Primaris Marines any chapter you want, sense they can be Veterans that were converted.

 

That's not what's being discussed here though. What we're discussing is various methods on how to represent the Primaris marines that were sent to the DW from the Ultimaris Decree; which are Primaris Marines that were assigned directly to the DW by Guilliman before 1st being assigned to a Chapter. So because they have no parent chapter, the discussion is centered around what heraldry, if any, to display on their right shoulders.  

[Raven1]

Honestly all of these answers are a mute point now. Sense Calgar proved that regular Marines can be upgraded into a Primaris. That means make your Primaris Marines any chapter you want, sense they can be Veterans that were converted.

Not to start an argument but regardless of rhe release of the new ultramarines primaris lieutenant Primarneus. The OP can paint his models as he wants. Personally, i had planned on making one or two primaris a blackshield just for the look, but a greyshield instead or in addition too isnt too bad of an idea.