Ishagu Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 With the Vigilus formation and the strats you can now make the best variant of this character, potentially. Possibly 7 attacks if you activate the Strat, re rolling to wound, re-rolling charges, can give him the Shield Eternal, can have a 5+ FNP I'm not seeing anyone mention this chap. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
dice4thedicegod Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Better than a rampaging, death visioned, honour the chapter, artisan with the angels wing? Or, a complement: Detachment 1: the loyal 32 Detachment 2: blood angels with slamguinius Detachment 3: black Templar’s captain stabalot That way, you don’t have multiple smash captains unable to be fully utilized each turn due to ‘once each phase’ strategum limitation. Mmmmm, games Workshop sure does like to make soup. Might have to call them the broth-captains. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5219629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Captain Stabalot? I like it. But can we do better? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5219663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Slash Captain? Marshal Smashers? The real slashbladey? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5219679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Not sure if re-rolling wound rolls and charge rolls beats the instant re-deployment, 3d6 charge, no-OW relic, +1 to wound rolls and the D4 hammer. 5+++ is clearly better than 6+++ re-rolling 1s tho, I give you that and Shield Eternal adds nice durability for sure. If anything he's definitely the more durable Captain (best the BA Captain can do is a 5+++ re-rolling 1s on top of what generic Captains can have) with still a more than decent damage output. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5219687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordian Glory Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 OK so this got me thinking, what about a Blender Marshal . Marshal with Teeth of Terra and Master Swordsman and "Suffer not the Unclean to Live" strategem activated. That is 4+d3+1+1 attacks (if you go Primaris captain that is another +1 attack) So on average we are looking at 8 attacks, you are most likely going to to get 1 six so that becomes 9 hits. Add with Grimaldus and that could easily become 10 hits. Then you can use honour the chapter to fight again so we are looking at 20 hits. Strength 5 so against most infantry that is wounding on 3s (with reroll to wounds). 14 initial wounds, reroll and wound with 4 more so 18 wounds in total. Teeth of Terra is AP-2 and 2 damage. Thats 9 dead TEQ, 12 dead MEQ and 18 dead GEQ. Now obviously I have done some napkin mathhammer but still that is a lot of killing potential. The main downside I can see with this is that is costs 5CP to pull off. However, this is on a bare bones Marshell, thats 74pts! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5219712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metzombie Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 (if you go Primaris captain that is another +1 attack) The Primaris Captain can not get the Teeth of Terra. He has no option to take a chainsword. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5219862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 OK so this got me thinking, what about a Blender Marshal . Marshal with Teeth of Terra and Master Swordsman and "Suffer not the Unclean to Live" strategem activated. That is 4+d3+1+1 attacks (if you go Primaris captain that is another +1 attack) So on average we are looking at 8 attacks, you are most likely going to to get 1 six so that becomes 9 hits. Add with Grimaldus and that could easily become 10 hits. Then you can use honour the chapter to fight again so we are looking at 20 hits. Strength 5 so against most infantry that is wounding on 3s (with reroll to wounds). 14 initial wounds, reroll and wound with 4 more so 18 wounds in total. Teeth of Terra is AP-2 and 2 damage. Thats 9 dead TEQ, 12 dead MEQ and 18 dead GEQ. Now obviously I have done some napkin mathhammer but still that is a lot of killing potential. The main downside I can see with this is that is costs 5CP to pull off. However, this is on a bare bones Marshell, thats 74pts! Actually did the Teeth of Terra Captain backed up by Grimaldus. Had 7 attacks going in since I didn't use the strat that turn, ended up with 15 hits. It can be quite mean if used correctly, and if he somehow dies you can use 2CP to go again as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5219938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmightyWalrus Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 "Rogal Doom", to go with "Slamguinius". I'm kinda partial towards "Sigismash" myself though. Plus, you can run him on a bike for better toughness and an extra wound. That's some serious tanking power! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5220197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dice4thedicegod Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 To keep their knightly vibe, lancelot /Camelot is why I said stabalot. Hmm, maybe sir hacksalot? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5220217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighMarshalAmp Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Detachment 1: the loyal 32 Detachment 2: blood angels with slamguinius Detachment 3: black Templar’s captain stabalot Oh, now you're just being mean. ...I like that... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5220222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydonianDragoon404 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Okay what "smash captain" are we talking about here? If its the new blade master warlord trait + thunder hammer, I think the name should be Captain Death-hammer. If its using the Teeth of Terra, Captain Death-Saw. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5220236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 The new strategems made BT Marshalls decent. But non-OW and 3+ to wound a knight made BA captain a hard counter to super-heavies, that is a special tactic role. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5220240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Marshal Law ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5220244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneTrueZon Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 ... and his hammer "Festivus" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5220255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 It has to be 'Marshal' based I think. Not Captain. I'm glad people eventually joined in on the naming thing. I felt like I was putting our gold and getting nothing back! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5220309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 My vote goes towards Marshal Stabalot. Then again I'm not a Black Templar player and I hate the name Slamguinius and prefer Captain Smash so I probably don't even have a vote here. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5220323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmightyWalrus Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 The new strategems made BT Marshalls decent. But non-OW and 3+ to wound a knight made BA captain a hard counter to super-heavies, that is a special tactic role. 4+ reroll failed wounds is better than a flat 3+. Slamguinius has a D4 hammer though, whereas ours only does D3. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5220360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 D4? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5220362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordian Glory Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 D4? Damage 4 I think that if the Marshal has a Thunder hammer then it should be Slamismund. If it is a Teeth of Terra then I would vote Slashalot. I feel like Slashalot sounds pretty close to Lancelot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5220365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Duh! Sorry, I read it in conjunction with D3 as in dice and thought it was a dice modifier rule Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5220385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 D4? Damage 4 I think that if the Marshal has a Thunder hammer then it should be Slamismund. If it is a Teeth of Terra then I would vote Slashalot. I feel like Slashalot sounds pretty close to Lancelot. Surely you can run both? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5220388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 The new strategems made BT Marshalls decent. But non-OW and 3+ to wound a knight made BA captain a hard counter to super-heavies, that is a special tactic role. 4+ reroll failed wounds is better than a flat 3+. Slamguinius has a D4 hammer though, whereas ours only does D3. Yes but our Marhsal gets two hits on a 6, which could make a big difference Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5220392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Surely there's only one way to settle this? FIGHT!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5220398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Not much to add except if I'm seeing more Black Templars on the table then I'm a happy camper. Personally I'm missing the gothic zealotry absent from 40K Marines now a days and I can't condone Dark Angels so that means Templars should be the poster boys. (The Overfiend clearly thought so too as 3rd edition was all about Templars even on the box art of the game) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352502-the-best-captain-smash-is-now-a-black-templar/#findComment-5220406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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