lash144 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Has anyone some insights how 3++ with 1W compares against 2+ with 2w durability wise, assuming both have the FnP banner around. (Sure one will be better against small arms fire and vice versa, but some specifics / numbers would be appreciated!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 W2 Sv2+ should be almost always more durable as long as they don't get shot at by multi-damage weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 For this answer I will be referring to the model’s killed per number of hits per weapon entry as opposed to the number of shots as it is irrelevant. I am not doing the math with the banner as I really don’t feel like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 The way you noted it is a bit backwards to read but to summarize, yes W2 Sv2+ is indeed more durable than W1 Sv3++, unless you're facing wounds with high AP and multi-damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 And non-overcharged plasma level is the break-even point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Ok, so I look the plunge and did pick up two boxes of VV’s, (my poor pile of shame...) and was thinking of making a: sergeant with relic blade and plasma pistol 2x with power swords and plasma pistols 4x with CS/SS 3 with 2x chainswords. That makes for a lot of attacks and a few high quality ones just in case I need to crack some heavier infantry or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixzion Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I see a lot of you mention relic blade and storm shield as a combo, which sounds awesome. Is that even legal though? I though relic blades were two-handed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I see a lot of you mention relic blade and storm shield as a combo, which sounds awesome. Is that even legal though? I though relic blades were two-handed. As per our Codex, it is a legal loadout for a VAS Sergeant (but not a Captain...). With regards to "two-handed" this is no longer a ruling for them in 8th and with the exception of a banner and thunder hammer on Troops, looks don't tend to play a part these days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I see a lot of you mention relic blade and storm shield as a combo, which sounds awesome. Is that even legal though? I though relic blades were two-handed. It is legal for Sergeants apparently. Captains seem to carry bigger Relic blades. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixzion Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Thanks for clearing that up for me. I was indeed looking at the captain entry and couldn't figure out how you could have that load out. Hopefully it doesn't get errata:d, but I guess in that case the relic blade on the sergeant would simply need to be downgraded to a power sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majkhel Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 ... the relic blade on the sergeant would simply need to be downgraded to a power sword. I'm not sure that's a good idea. Captains tend to loos relic blades (I'm looking at you Leonatos!) :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Thanks for clearing that up for me. I was indeed looking at the captain entry and couldn't figure out how you could have that load out. Hopefully it doesn't get errata:d, but I guess in that case the relic blade on the sergeant would simply need to be downgraded to a power sword. Even if it gets errata'ed it wouldn't change much. The VV Sergeant has the advantage to be able to benefit from the other Stormshields in the unit while the Captain has no unit to hide behind in melee (and apparently GW doesn't want Primaris bodyguards to use their saves like the DG Deathshrouds can do ...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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