nusphigor Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Hello guys. I am working on a new dark angels force based on some primaris stuff i got recently, so i thought i would add my other marines in to bulk out the army. However, the scale creep has taken its horrrible toll and they look weird. So, that left me with many mk3 miniatures that i kinda want to make a different chapter, but the question is: Is there any marine chapter known for having older marks of armour other than the Consecrators? (I dont really want to paint black xD) What do you guys know about this? Cheers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volt Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Off of the top of my head Red Scorpions rock lots of MK IV, Blood Angels and successors have tons of artificer gear, Iron Hands and successors have a ton of relic armor, Ultramarines mix-and-match relic armor with MK VII, and the Carcharodons often run around in relic gear and rarely ever wear Aquila pattern due to scavenging their gear on the galactic fringe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5222266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerhard Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Black Templar Marines heavily personalize and customize their armors, so it is quite common to find marines with older pieces of armor combined with newer pieces of armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5222313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 The Dark Angel Successors, The Consecrators, are said to have inherited the Relics of the Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5222314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK0SIAN Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Marines Malevolent are known to have supply issues and scavenge a great amount of their wargear. It’s very likely they would have a large amount of older stuff. The Relictors also hunt down relics and older tech so they may be a good candidate for older marks of armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5222318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Raven Guard are reknown to use alot of MkVI armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5222357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 In the Badab War books, FW said that the Red Scorpions and Iron Hands both still have the capability to manufacture Mk IV plate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5222366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 By M41 all power armor suits would be so mixed up that you can justify any chapter having any kind of armor you wanna build :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5222368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Also on a galactic scale 1000 MkIII suits would not be that much. Unlikely to be in one place but not impossible. E.g. Part of a space hulk was a pre heresy era supply ship. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5222427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nusphigor Posted December 24, 2018 Author Share Posted December 24, 2018 Thank you brothers! So far i have 2 tactical squads and 1 devastator squad in mk3 iron armour, so they do look kinda similar sometimes, that is why i was asking. How would you break up a little the monotony of the same mks of armour having in mind the minis i have are already built and primed in black? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5222628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Is your chapter totally codex adherent? If not you can make more obvious distinctions than the and symbols. The Blood Angels for example have differently coloured helmets for the different roles. Reversing the trim and shoulder pad colours on sergeants could be a way to differentiate leaders from the rank and file Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5222631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johanhgg Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Consecrators are widely known for their ancient armour and gear. And is a very cool chapter! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5222880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShibeKing Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Consecrators also have the luxury of rocking original legion colors. Far superior to the modern scheme. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5222959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 One amusing note... Every mark from 2nd thru 7th was in service by the end of the heresy. Pretty sure they were all actively in production somewhere across the galaxy at that time as well. Hidden Content Mk2 and mk3 were common thruought the legions. Mk4 was advanced and not produced everywhere so probably rarer than mk2 and mk3. Mk 5 was stopgap. Mk6 was a relatively new prototype so probably rarer than all previous marks it the onset of the heresy. Mk7 was only produced in Mars prior to the siege of Terra. Post heresy I assume every mark was in production as it probably wasn't until the scouring ended that the any standardization could be pushed out, which would take some time anyways. Production of mks 2 and 3 ended because logistically and over all the later marks were a net improvement. Mk 4 was difficult to produce but viable, so production reduced drastically. Mk 5 wasnt a real armour mark really. Mk 6 and 7 were both new at the end of the heresy and probably competed for production space for a time. Mk 7 gaining the majority share in the long run. Mk8 and mkX are the only marks not in-service during the heresy and scouring. Point being... Every chapter uses armour designs from 10,000 years ago... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5222965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Wouldn’t be nice if there was an actual evolution in power armor that had an actual table top mechanic ? Movement rate, stealth, something ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5223019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 There was in some of the RPGs where finer details could be played out. On the macroscale of 40k with a d6 system, I don't think there is enough difference between the marks. I would be hesitant to even put something minute into 30k/40k or killteam. But that's a discussion for homebrew rules (I have thought about it tho... Bit those thoughts were wrapped up in ideas about tweaking 7th edition in general) As for chapters explicitly known to use certain marks... Red scorpions and mk 4. If I remember correctly they have access to manufacturing of mk4s so they are running around in mk4 armour that is millennia newer than some of the mark 6 and 7s out there which can date to the Horus heresy and the siege of Terra. Black Templars have their own manufacturing capabilities aboard forge ships as part of their crusader fleets. Whatever marks you want then to produce is fair game in theory. They have maintained relics dating back to the Horus heresy, the siege of Terra and the scouring. As noted by... the golden artificer armour with Imperial fists heraldry they gifted to the new chaptermaster of the Celestial Lions at the closure of the Armageddon Crusade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5223035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nusphigor Posted December 26, 2018 Author Share Posted December 26, 2018 Thanks brothers. I was thinking of the posibility of just making my own chapter with those mk III and mk II armours and scouts that i have. Since i really love the world eaters pre heresy colour scheme maybe go from there but dont do them that blood thirsty. Besides i love boltguns so much as to just discard them for chainweapons, which i dont like that much. Maybe some chapter from m32-34 to make it more easy to use mk 3 armour. I had no idea that most chapters had many of those suits, also that the armour standardization (is that a word?) depended on their point in time. Lots of things i learnt, really thanks guys ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5223280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Sounds good. White and blue is a popular colour scheme among the astartes. I am sure there can be one more. They do not need to have XII legion gene seed to have those colours. FW has chain bayonets for the boltguns. Best of both worlds. As for the abundance of wargear, you can find quotes in the lore from we have lots of old stuff to we barely have enough of the new stuff. The galaxy is huge and GW intentionally gave us freedom to do what we won't. It won't keep That Guy ® from complaining though. Just don't listen and do what you like. They are your models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5223312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Thanks brothers. . . . i love boltguns so much as to just discard them for chainweapons, which i dont like that much. Shhhhh ... Can you hear? The Templars are weeping. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5223512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 We are not!!!There's just something in our lens filters... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5223521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nusphigor Posted December 27, 2018 Author Share Posted December 27, 2018 Thanks brothers. . . . i love boltguns so much as to just discard them for chainweapons, which i dont like that much. Shhhhh ... Can you hear? The Templars are weeping. ;) Oh i've tried, believe me xD But i find out that shooting boltguns is what i like about the game :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5223646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nusphigor Posted December 27, 2018 Author Share Posted December 27, 2018 Sounds good. White and blue is a popular colour scheme among the astartes. I am sure there can be one more. They do not need to have XII legion gene seed to have those colours. FW has chain bayonets for the boltguns. Best of both worlds. As for the abundance of wargear, you can find quotes in the lore from we have lots of old stuff to we barely have enough of the new stuff. The galaxy is huge and GW intentionally gave us freedom to do what we won't. It won't keep That Guy ® from complaining though. Just don't listen and do what you like. They are your models. Sometimes i believe i have an internal That Guy inside my head that keeps shouting at me. Thanks for your encouragement brother. I shall overcome that struggle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5223648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinstryfe Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 The cool thing about the setting is that almost everything is realistically possible. While the norm is MkVII with the occasional ancient piece, there are entire chapters who just happen to get their stuff from Forgeworld XYZ who happen to make older armour marks because of very complex narrative reasons. Or, maybe your chapter is like normal but it's tradition ever since the Siege of Skarathrax in M36 where the fifth company had to go six years waiting for the rest of the chapter to break thru the enemy lines and survived only on field repairs and retro fitting stores of old armor, so the Fifth to take to the field in the oldest marks of armour that they can scrounge up, while this means that members of the other 9 companies are almost never wearing anything but full MkVII, unless they served in the Fifth and got to keep a single piece for their service. Likewise there are plenty of white and blue chapters out there. Just being white and blue doesn't mean anything. Being white and blue while bearing a hound as your symbol and sporting some stylish head surgery is when things start to look a little on the nose. I also love how easy it is to shoehorn successors from almost everyone from m32-34 ish and still tie it in to having roots in the heresy if you want. As simple as The Void Hounds are a White Scars successor chapter formed of those Marines who excelled in aerial assault. They kept the white of the original legion, married with the blue of the personal heraldry of their first Chapter Master. Their symbol is a black hound with fiery red wings on a blue field; dating back along with their name to before the Siege of Terra and earned after they single handedly broke the stalemate and saved millions of Imperial Army troopers at the battle of Chapek Nine. Because they are a void based chapter they seldom have opportunity for resupply, leading to them often taking to battle in scrounged and repaired plate. tl:dr there are tons of ways to justify what you want, and all are fully within the realm of fluff. And now my Deathwatch needs a Void Hound. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5223670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nusphigor Posted December 27, 2018 Author Share Posted December 27, 2018 The cool thing about the setting is that almost everything is realistically possible. While the norm is MkVII with the occasional ancient piece, there are entire chapters who just happen to get their stuff from Forgeworld XYZ who happen to make older armour marks because of very complex narrative reasons. Or, maybe your chapter is like normal but it's tradition ever since the Siege of Skarathrax in M36 where the fifth company had to go six years waiting for the rest of the chapter to break thru the enemy lines and survived only on field repairs and retro fitting stores of old armor, so the Fifth to take to the field in the oldest marks of armour that they can scrounge up, while this means that members of the other 9 companies are almost never wearing anything but full MkVII, unless they served in the Fifth and got to keep a single piece for their service. Likewise there are plenty of white and blue chapters out there. Just being white and blue doesn't mean anything. Being white and blue while bearing a hound as your symbol and sporting some stylish head surgery is when things start to look a little on the nose. I also love how easy it is to shoehorn successors from almost everyone from m32-34 ish and still tie it in to having roots in the heresy if you want. As simple as The Void Hounds are a White Scars successor chapter formed of those Marines who excelled in aerial assault. They kept the white of the original legion, married with the blue of the personal heraldry of their first Chapter Master. Their symbol is a black hound with fiery red wings on a blue field; dating back along with their name to before the Siege of Terra and earned after they single handedly broke the stalemate and saved millions of Imperial Army troopers at the battle of Chapek Nine. Because they are a void based chapter they seldom have opportunity for resupply, leading to them often taking to battle in scrounged and repaired plate. tl:dr there are tons of ways to justify what you want, and all are fully within the realm of fluff. And now my Deathwatch needs a Void Hound. This was very enlightening to read, honestly. It seems the issue is that of imagination then, as i really wouldn't had imagined anything like that. But, it had me thinking a bit on how to do the background for this new chapter and where to go to from here. Thank you mate :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5223700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nusphigor Posted December 27, 2018 Author Share Posted December 27, 2018 I started an actual thread on the army, if you guys want to check it out. It doesnt have much yet but still, any q&c will be very appreciated. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352666-diy-chapter-idea-army-development-thread/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352611-chapters-known-for-having-older-armour/#findComment-5223724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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