New competitive mono-guard

[HallofStovokor]

With the combination of chapter approved and vigilus, I think that there's going to be a new guard setup dominating tournaments. I think that the dominant regiment is still going to be catachan, but I no longer think that we will see them taking Knight or blood angel allies. I believe that people are going to see pure catachan armies using emperors conclave and wrath.

 

They'll probably put the relic for conclave on a platoon commander and suicide him. Then give the buffs of the relic to an infantry squad. They'll also take strakan and a priest to add 2 attacks to the infantry and use wrath to deny overwatch to the unit being charged.

 

I've been looking at the vigilus detachments and that looks to be the strongest setup. Let me know if you guys have any different ideas about this.

[mertbl]

I think artillery and bodies will stay our strongest build. A bunch of basilisks and a bunch of infantry. Now that 2 CP gets you a second artillery piece every round. That's either clearing hordes of chafe with wyverns or elite infantry/monster/tank killers with basilisk.

[sairence]

That's going to be especially potent if you can combine squads to just keep making your buffed unit bigger. Throw in psykers, somd power weapons and you've got a never ending meatgrinder.

 

I never liked Catachan infantry myself, so I won't be using that...I will probably look at Cadians for the artillery one though. An officer with the Relic of Lost Cadia, Pask with a battlecannon for Overlapping Fields of Fire, some Basilisks, maybe a Hydra/Wyvern and you've got a scary round of shooting.

 

I'll probably also use the tank one whenever I bring a Tank Commander...I'll happily pay a CP for that relic battlecannon.

[HallofStovokor]

I too play with cadia. I'm going to use Emperor's wrath as my only special detachment, but I was thinking about the potency of the regiments and those 2 coupled with catachan seem to be devastating.

[bigmic66]

Best bit is in itc, you don't need to declare special detach on roster. So depending on what strats I need I'll take emo wrath or conclave if needed.

[noigrim]

Im taking a tank cnd plus relic and a ton of mortars in a cadian battalion

[MrZakalwe]

I may be trying the battlecannon relic tonight depending on what matchup I end up with.

[mertbl]

The detachments are chosen during list building. You aren't going to be able to pick and choose at the table when you find out your opponent.

 

 

Best bit is in itc, you don't need to declare special detach on roster. So depending on what strats I need I'll take emo wrath or conclave if needed.

[Doof]

The detachments are chosen during list building. You aren't going to be able to pick and choose at the table when you find out your opponent.

 

 

Best bit is in itc, you don't need to declare special detach on roster. So depending on what strats I need I'll take emo wrath or conclave if needed.

 

 

 

The detachments are, but the Specialist detachment are purchased at game start, just like Relics and warlord traits. All your doing when you build a specialist attachment is selecting an existing detachment and giving some extra rules at the cost of CP.

[mertbl]

The stratagems say "when choosing your army" that's list construction. Not "before the battle begins"

 

"Field Commander" is a good example. It says use this stratagem before the battle begins if you used any specialist detachment stratagems when choosing your army.

[duz_]

Before we go too far down the rabbit hole on the rules regarding the Specialist Detachments, as we all know detailed rules discussion belongs in the OR :tu:

I think the confusion might be that the Frontline Gaming guys have mentioned a couple of times (rightly or wrongly) that you can do this at the table.

 

So I suggest if you are going to start an OR thread on the order of operations, you also contact the FLG / ITC guys to clarify their position too

[bigmic66]

Yeah our biggest tournie in Aus is playing it that way. They are frontline gaming australia.

 

 

You only need to have a warlord on roster, all relics and warlord traits and specialist detach are picked pending opponent. As per cancon anyway. They could be playing it wrong but that's how it's been ruled here

[HallofStovokor]

Yeah our biggest tournie in Aus is playing it that way. They are frontline gaming australia.

 

 

You only need to have a warlord on roster, all relics and warlord traits and specialist detach are picked pending opponent. As per cancon anyway. They could be playing it wrong but that's how it's been ruled here

I'd imagine that there's one exception to picking your warlord trait at the start of the game. Named characters have certain warlord traits that they must use. Creed and Pask can only take Superior Tactical Training as their warlord trait, so if either one is the warlord you already know what warlord trait they have.

[bigmic66]

Correct.