HighMarshalAmp Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Can't for the life of me find a definitive answer to that. Is, say, a Captain in the BA Codex the same as on in C:SM? Or could one take 3 of each - not all in the same Detachment of course? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352866-datasheets-across-codices-the-same/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halandaar Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I'm not sure if there is a definitive answer, unfortunately. My opinion is that, in this specific example, they are the same datasheet; they are identical in all regards except that in Codex:BA, the <CHAPTER> keyword field is already assigned to Blood Angels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352866-datasheets-across-codices-the-same/#findComment-5227999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighMarshalAmp Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 That's what I feel exactly, but - a better example maybe - I'd like to field 4 Librarians, 2 Ultramarines and 2 Blood Angels. They have different disciplines! That's set in the Datasheet, but they're the same otherwise. So it's not just the keyword that differentiates those two. Nothing like that with Captains though. So are their Sheets identical while the Libbys' aren't? Geez, GW, what are the FAQs for? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352866-datasheets-across-codices-the-same/#findComment-5228015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I believe they count as different Datasheets, however even if not you could just take BA Librarian Dreadnoughts instead. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352866-datasheets-across-codices-the-same/#findComment-5228045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 they are the same datasheet; they are identical in all regards except that in Codex:BA, the <CHAPTER> keyword field is already assigned to Blood Angels. Really? Only 8th ed ‘dex I have is C:Space Marines, so I can’t actually look, but are you sayjng that someone playing Angels Vermillion or Blood Drinkers (for example) would not be able to change the Keyword to match their actual chapter name? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352866-datasheets-across-codices-the-same/#findComment-5228184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halandaar Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 they are the same datasheet; they are identical in all regards except that in Codex:BA, the <CHAPTER> keyword field is already assigned to Blood Angels.Really? Only 8th ed ‘dex I have is C:Space Marines, so I can’t actually look, but are you sayjng that someone playing Angels Vermillion or Blood Drinkers (for example) would not be able to change the Keyword to match their actual chapter name? You still can, the Codex just presumes you will use the <Blood Angels> keyword, and instructs you to replace it with the successor chapter of your choosing if you wish. I only mentioned it because it's the only text distinction between the SM and BA datasheets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352866-datasheets-across-codices-the-same/#findComment-5228231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arigatous Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 They count as different data sheets. That was officially FAQed by GW in relation to Daemons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352866-datasheets-across-codices-the-same/#findComment-5231850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruor Vault Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 They count as different data sheets. That was officially FAQed by GW in relation to Daemons. That was only in regards to Daemon Princes, which all have slightly different names on their datasheet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352866-datasheets-across-codices-the-same/#findComment-5231862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 The same principle applies though. The keyword in common is Adeptus Astartes then separated by <Chapter>. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352866-datasheets-across-codices-the-same/#findComment-5231905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 It's not just about keywords. Individual Datasheets have a name. So if the Daemon Prince Datasheets have different names and that's the reason for counting as different Datasheets that's a very important piece of information since the Captain Datasheets all have the same name. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352866-datasheets-across-codices-the-same/#findComment-5232052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arigatous Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 They never mention that it is because of the name. Otherwise, the answer probably would be: "Yes, because they are named differently". The real difference is these models have access to different special rules, stratagems, relics, they grant bonuses to different types of units, etc. Pretty much the same as Captains do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352866-datasheets-across-codices-the-same/#findComment-5232192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halandaar Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 The real difference is these models have access to different special rules, stratagems, relics, they grant bonuses to different types of units, etc. Pretty much the same as Captains do. I don't know that that's actually true for Captains though, because the special rules described on the datasheets (And They Shall Know No Fear, Rites of Battle, Iron Halo, Storm Shield, Jump Pack Assault) are identical in both books, and the only reason they gain access to different tactics, relics and stratagems etc is due to the chapter keyword being different. Chapter Keywords on their own aren't a basis to say the datasheets are different, because otherwise you could make the argument that Ultramarine and Imperial Fists captains have different datasheets, even though they are selected from the same entry in the same book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352866-datasheets-across-codices-the-same/#findComment-5232202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arigatous Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I think in case of Captains that was not intended anyway, because Captains have different names in each Codex - the only two Codexes that share names for Captains are SM and BA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352866-datasheets-across-codices-the-same/#findComment-5232208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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