Bulwyf Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 From the FAQ for CA18: Q: The points cost for a ‘Storm shield (Thunderwolf Cavalry)’ does not appear in the Space Wolves section of the updated points values in Chapter Approved: 2018 Edition, but there is an entry for ‘Storm shield (other models)’. What points value should I use for my Thunderwolf Cavalry models? A: Use the value in Codex: Space Wolves: 10 points per model. Frankly I find it disgusting especially after Simon Grant said earlier that TWC would get the 2 point SS. TWC already were not good in 8th and this just puts the nail in the coffin. Why take TWC when you can have cheaper and better options in Wulfen? TWC need a point decrease and got nothing in the codex and nothing in CA18 or the FAQ. Poor play on GW part. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluescope Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 WG bike with PF&SS is only 45. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5234562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Wow, thats really disappointing... And the Twolves stay in the pile i guess. EDITL: Can i get a link? US Warcom isnt showing an FAQ for the CA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5234564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHowler Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Seriously. It either makes no sense at all and proves that they make the rules randomly, or it is proof that the GW rules team REALLY does’t play their own game and has no idea what balance is or how to achieve it. Very very very disappointing. The TWC are now officially uncompetitive until GW learns how to 40k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5234576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 Wow, thats really disappointing... And the Twolves stay in the pile i guess. EDITL: Can i get a link? US Warcom isnt showing an FAQ for the CA. https://www.facebook.com/1575682476085719/photos/a.1576243776029589/2216783471975613/?type=3&theater Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5234582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 Seriously. It either makes no sense at all and proves that they make the rules randomly, or it is proof that the GW rules team REALLY does’t play their own game and has no idea what balance is or how to achieve it. Very very very disappointing. The TWC are now officially uncompetitive until GW learns how to 40k. I don't usually get actually angry at GW but this one really chaps my hide. Simon Grant said that they would be getting 2 point SS and all SW players rejoiced. Then he backtraced on his FB post in the SW group. And now this confirmation just shows how little the GW rules team pays attention. TWC were already bad in 8th edition. Now they've been relegated to dust bunny collectors. Pretty sad that one of the two unique SW units is terrible and overpriced. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5234584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Not shocking but quite frankly foolish. They need to take a hard look at our wargear costs in light of chapter approved changes. Frost weapons are now ridiculous, tcav stirnshield are dumb, and scout continue to be pointless. What are they doing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5234617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Seriously. It either makes no sense at all and proves that they make the rules randomly, or it is proof that the GW rules team REALLY does’t play their own game and has no idea what balance is or how to achieve it. Very very very disappointing. The TWC are now officially uncompetitive until GW learns how to 40k. I don't usually get actually angry at GW but this one really chaps my hide. Simon Grant said that they would be getting 2 point SS and all SW players rejoiced. Then he backtraced on his FB post in the SW group. And now this confirmation just shows how little the GW rules team pays attention. TWC were already bad in 8th edition. Now they've been relegated to dust bunny collectors. Pretty sad that one of the two unique SW units is terrible and overpriced. Simon retracted his statement and said the developers missed it and had to review i posted his FB post on it. please don't blame him Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5234715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHowler Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I don’t blame Simon. He actually plays wolves and knew that TWC needed cheaper storm shields to be playable, and his comments probably came from that place. I blame GW for not listening, understanding, or caring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5234737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStabby Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 That's super annoying. I loathe the TWC models and concept and don't use them, but that's just straight up a bad design decision. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5234747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Boo. No, seriously. TWC needed SOMETHING to be useful; way to not play your own game and then prove it, GW... I'm not mad at Simon, in the least. I think GW just needs to realize the current meta does not support this development. Still, hard fact is, this is the current ruling for now. Adjust as needed; hopefully this gets fixed soon-ish...? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5234753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 Seriously. It either makes no sense at all and proves that they make the rules randomly, or it is proof that the GW rules team REALLY does’t play their own game and has no idea what balance is or how to achieve it. Very very very disappointing. The TWC are now officially uncompetitive until GW learns how to 40k. I don't usually get actually angry at GW but this one really chaps my hide. Simon Grant said that they would be getting 2 point SS and all SW players rejoiced. Then he backtraced on his FB post in the SW group. And now this confirmation just shows how little the GW rules team pays attention. TWC were already bad in 8th edition. Now they've been relegated to dust bunny collectors. Pretty sad that one of the two unique SW units is terrible and overpriced. Simon retracted his statement and said the developers missed it and had to review i posted his FB post on it. please don't blame him I am not blaming him. I even stated in the post you quoted that he backtracked from his first post. He has no final say over that decision. I was and am blaming the rules team for making a bad decision. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5234755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 Boo. No, seriously. TWC needed SOMETHING to be useful; way to not play your own game and then prove it, GW... I'm not mad at Simon, in the least. I think GW just needs to realize the current meta does not support this development. Still, hard fact is, this is the current ruling for now. Adjust as needed; hopefully this gets fixed soon-ish...? I almost never used TWC before this and will go back to not using them at all. All your opponent has to do is put units on a 2nd floor or higher and TWC are literally worthless. There is no reason to take them at this point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5234757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper_Hawser Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (deleted all my past post which was wrong) Sorry, misread the FAQ. for my part, I haven't used TWC in years due to my extaordinary bad luck, so the new SS costs matters not for me. Frankly even if they were 2 points, still wouldn't justify their exorbitant costs in my opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5235092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Hi all, on a positive side, Saga of Savage has been changed to something more simpler and easier to achieve. Former version New Version Effect +1 attack on charge +1 attack on charge Deed of legend inflict 5 wounds Performed a charge https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/warhammer_40000_imperium_nihilus_vigilus_defiant_en-1.pdf?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=40kFAQsJan14&utm_content=40kFAQsJan14 Slightly easier to achieve than Saga of Wolfkin, but the effect is only ON THE CHARGE, whereas Wolfkin is activated whenever charging, being charged or Heroic Intervention. Oh well, win some lose some. for my part, I haven't used TWC in years due to my extaordinary bad luck, so the new SS costs matters not for me. Frankly even if they were 2 points, still wouldn't justify their exorbitant costs in my opinion. That’s not what that says at all. The only clarification is the aura no longer says warlord which as written would prevent the aura from working after the deed. The deed is still inflicting 5 wounds in a phase. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5235121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper_Hawser Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 That’s not what that says at all. The only clarification is the aura no longer says warlord which as written would prevent the aura from working after the deed. The deed is still inflicting 5 wounds in a phase. Sorry, was wrong. deleted most of my previous post. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5235153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewolf81 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Even with 2 points shields they wouldnt see tabletop that much because they would still be crappy thnx to the new terrain rules, but it would be a move to the right direction. Now with not changing the shield points they pretty much put a tombstone on the model. I think this choice is not random, they nerfed into "unplayble state" other popular models in 7th like drop pods , centurions etc. because many people had many of those. Thats the sad truth. Bye bye T-wolves PS: For some reason the necron wraiths dropped in points while having better movement, build in 3++, 3 attacks each with 2 damage and they were popular in necron decurions in 7th, not a great time to be a wolf player i guess Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5235166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knightsword Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 And that's my count-as TWC unit plummeting further down my priority list until I've finished the models I can actually use in a game Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5235286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just finished converting some Primaris sized Thunderwolf riders... The unit is one of the reasons I picked Wolves over a Codex Marine army, delightfully silly idea and always been one of my favourites. I'll still use them but they keep getting hammered. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5235475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unseen Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I think they still have some value if you keep them as cheap, fast, fairly durable anti infantry units and run them alongside stuff that draws multi damage shots away from them, like wulfen and Blizzard shield dreads. Loading up on expensive weapons and shields seems like sunken cost with only 2 attacks with their equipment. So grab a chainsword and swing 6 times with each model. Maybe a hammer on the sarge just because he gets 3 attacks and will be the last thing removed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5235709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoyo ninja Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I think they still have some value if you keep them as cheap, fast, fairly durable anti infantry units and run them alongside stuff that draws multi damage shots away from them, like wulfen and Blizzard shield dreads. Loading up on expensive weapons and shields seems like sunken cost with only 2 attacks with their equipment. So grab a chainsword and swing 6 times with each model. Maybe a hammer on the sarge just because he gets 3 attacks and will be the last thing removed. This is how I have been playing mine, works well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5235713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 TWC with dual chainswords would certainly cause people pause. Is that allowed? If so, that's rather funny. It does turn them into a mobile anti-chaff unit, which they sadly are relegated to now. I would love them to have even 5 pt. SS's; since that hasn't happened yet, here's to hoping GW figures out how to turn its collective brain back on soon. I think the cold hard fact that TWC aren't going to be seen at many, of not any, Tournaments should provide them with all the proof GW should need that TWC are not balanced yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5235741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gherrick Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I think the cold hard fact that TWC aren't going to be seen at many, of not any, Tournaments should provide them with all the proof GW should need that TWC are not balanced yet. I'm fairly sure TWC have yet to see competitive play in any real numbers. Wulfen have been consistently the mechanically better option. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5235813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 TWC with dual chainswords would certainly cause people pause. Is that allowed? If so, that's rather funny. It does turn them into a mobile anti-chaff unit, which they sadly are relegated to now. I would love them to have even 5 pt. SS's; since that hasn't happened yet, here's to hoping GW figures out how to turn its collective brain back on soon. I think the cold hard fact that TWC aren't going to be seen at many, of not any, Tournaments should provide them with all the proof GW should need that TWC are not balanced yet. You aren't going to see many SW armies for tournies either if we're being honest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5235877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewolf81 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Rules team took back the changes for haarkan becuase of the community backlash but not the thunderwolves shield point cost. Maybe because he is a new model ? :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353128-faq-out-today-confirms-10-point-twc-ss/#findComment-5235909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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