librisrouge Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 So it looks like White Dwarf will be giving some love and attention toward assassins this March. Is anybody else very hyped up, physically unready for this, and unreasonably hopeful as to what it will give us? Just me? I know that it will probably be just some fluff updates and a reprint of the vanguard rules from the FAQ but I retain hope that we'll get the Crimson Fists treatment. What I'd hope for is... An Execution Force specialist detachment Smattering of strategems A way to field them in Imperium detachments without wrecking detachment rules (unlikely but hope is my first step toward disappointment) What do you guys think we'll get? I've got 14 assassin models that can't wait to see the light of day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Probably all that and maybe a couple of stratagems? Is there anything from the past missing on the current unit rules? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5239536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Awesome. If these pics are out then the rest of the leaks can't be far behind! I'd imagine they'll add a detachment to let you take a single assassin without a -1CP cost, or maybe remove the 0-3 limit on them...? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5239558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Honestly I've always been kind of apathetic towards assassins. I'm glad agents of some description are getting a bit of attention though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5239620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Torch. Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Awesome news. I have been using a 5 assassin detachment with my Custodes and its going pretty well. This can only be good for them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5239622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I’d like to see them as eligible in Imperial detachments using elite slots and some sick stratagems. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5239657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Torch. Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Maybe we will get an upgrade for a HQ? Then a full Vanguard detachment could be run. Would be nice to have the extra CP for my Custodes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5239692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK0SIAN Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 If they could join an Imperium detachment without breaking the keyword that would be great. Or even if they could go in an inquisition detachment that would be fine by me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5239770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 Awesome news. I have been using a 5 assassin detachment with my Custodes and its going pretty well. This can only be good for them. I'd actually love to hear more details about your army and how it performs. Do you keep up a thread or blog that I could peruse? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5239785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doof Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I think everyone looking at this is missing something: The headline is "Index Imperialis: Assassins. Not Index Officio Asassinorum, ie Index Imperialis will contain other things than assassins. Perhaps Inquisition Units? Is this a Imperial Agents Codex we've been asking for? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5239872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 I think everyone looking at this is missing something: The headline is "Index Imperialis: Assassins. Not Index Officio Asassinorum, ie Index Imperialis will contain other things than assassins. Perhaps Inquisition Units? Is this a Imperial Agents Codex we've been asking for? You, good sir, are officially the conductor of the hype train. I applaud your hype and hope it to be accurate. Sadly, even I can't go that far (but I want to.) I hope they do more Index Imperialis in the future but I'm 99.999999% confident that March will contain only our stealthy operatives of the officio assassinorum. Still, hope springs eternal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5239882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 They might lump in Death Cults, but that's all I can think of... Unless they randomly add some new units...?! Imagine if they get some relics?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5240042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairence Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I mean...we know there's more temples in the Assasinorum than just the 4 we have models for. :p I doubt it'll go there but it would be awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5240045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostglaive Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I mean...we know there's more temples in the Assasinorum than just the 4 we have models for. I doubt it'll go there but it would be awesome. I think the only two other temples are Venenum and Vanus. Venenum could work, seeing as how they work with (surprise surprise) venom and poisons. But Vanus? I'm doubting that one. I think the whole thing with Vanus was they get others to kill their target for them, whether it be through hacking, information, etc. How would that work as a model? Also, it's been a long time since I've last read anything about the other temples. So I could be completely wrong here lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5240127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 The flip side to the hype train is, perhaps this is just a fluff piece? Hasn't their been Index articles before which shared nothing of note game-wise? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5240140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 The flip side to the hype train is, perhaps this is just a fluff piece? Hasn't their been Index articles before which shared nothing of note game-wise? Quite possibly, however we know that WD is guaranteed rules for 40k/ AoS alternating and the last rules came in the form of Index Astartes, so it stands to reason that "Index Imperialis: Assassins" is rules :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5240145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 The flip side to the hype train is, perhaps this is just a fluff piece? Hasn't their been Index articles before which shared nothing of note game-wise? Why!?! Why must you give words to my deepest fears?! I mean...we know there's more temples in the Assasinorum than just the 4 we have models for. I doubt it'll go there but it would be awesome. I think the only two other temples are Venenum and Vanus. Venenum could work, seeing as how they work with (surprise surprise) venom and poisons. But Vanus? I'm doubting that one. I think the whole thing with Vanus was they get others to kill their target for them, whether it be through hacking, information, etc. How would that work as a model? Also, it's been a long time since I've last read anything about the other temples. So I could be completely wrong here lol. I agree with you that the Venenum Temple assassins make more sense for field work than the Vanus Temple does. I'd love to see an assassin who's shtick is great wound rolls and ways of generating mortal wounds. Heck, make him close ranged if you need a balancing factor. Assassins are already a sort of glass cannon. However, I can see the Venenum Temple having to field assassins up close from time to time. Occasionally, a target needs dead and dead now. In those situations, I could see the operative switching to a data support role with other Imperial operatives. I picture an assassin that isn't your typical combat character (though they wouldn't be worthless) but instead have a host of abilities that benefit your other models or, more likely, hinder the enemy. Heck, I think 8th edition is the time for them because you could make them kinda meh on their own but tie a host of strategems specifically to having them in your army. Strats that hinder enemy shooting (-1 to hit against unit within 6" of assassin) because he hacked their targeting gear. Strats that replicate the Callidus ability to mess up command communications but on any other turn (lasts 1 turn or phase, causes enemy strategems to cost +1 CP on a +4.) Things like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5240207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I think we will get some new tasty rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5240220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher956 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Venenum - fixed to wound rolls against everything non vehicle... templates (aka D6) weapons and grenades. Vanus - if they are the misdirection temple then you give them basic defensive weapons but also give them an ability like instead of shooting they can make an enemy unit attack its self with a weapon of your choice (ie CC or shooting) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5240242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Torch. Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Awesome news. I have been using a 5 assassin detachment with my Custodes and its going pretty well. This can only be good for them.I'd actually love to hear more details about your army and how it performs. Do you keep up a thread or blog that I could peruse? Unfortunately not yet, I may start one when I return from sea at the end of February though. Assassins always seem to be a bit hit and miss. People tend to either focus fire them down (which is great as the Culexus especially take a fair bit to shift), or they get ignored. Either way I have not found them particularly game-breaking, but I've had some good moments with the Culexus against people who aren't expecting two of them. I'm really hoping we get a 'Master Assassin' or something along those lines. Someone to direct the execution force, but not necessarily have the ability to be the warlord as I do not think that fits with the current fluff we have been given. Time will tell, super excited for this. Would love to be able to run a double digit assassin list or something crazy like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5240370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Cullexus is the best overall with Smite meta. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5240414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven 19 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 How about Venus temple get a 6+ agents of vect style ability to represent sabotaged intelligence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5240422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane Chuck Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I have probably 1000 points worth of assassins, made up of conversions and ebay rescues of the older models. I am very hyped for this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5240526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamingDeth Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 This is very convenient as I was about to buy a box of assassins, though for some reason the box is labeled "Van Saar Gang." How strange is that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5240557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Probably a rebox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353298-assassins-in-march/#findComment-5240587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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