lionofjudah Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I’ve been mindbending a new thought process for my next project army. Back to the guard and I’ve basically sold everything to start over. My thoughts are to have the guard as the mobile anvil with which to smash the enemies of the emperor. I’m not wanting a static gun line at all and have a desire to have a mobile force. I like the griffin for a mobile mortar and am wondering your thoughts on its efficacy. I have 2 and would like to add a third. Rest of army will have -10 karskin, 10 grenadiers, 15 engineers, 10 shotgun vets, 30 elysians, 10 dkok infantry, 22 death riders, a storm chimera, a taurox, 4 centaurs, 4 cyclops, 2 Mortian heavy tanks, a shadow sword. I have 2 knights(Archaon and atrapos), and will be building up 3 tactical squads, 1 contemptor, 1 ironclad and 6 terminators worth of imperial fists to be the hammer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353307-thoughts-on-the-griffon/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 48" HeavyD6* S6 Ap-1 D:D3 ignores cover *roll 2d6 pick highest For ~75pts... yeh that seems pretty decent Would I take 3? Dunno 2 seems sufficient if included with other artillery like basilisks and manticores If it was more than D6 shots definitely Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353307-thoughts-on-the-griffon/#findComment-5239856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionofjudah Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 I’m not a big fan of the basilisk or manticore for front line mobile war fare as I see them as a rear echelon ordinance piece that has no place at the line. Game wise I’m dead wrong but the fluff kinda Jill’s it for me. I’ve tried to write my unit fluff to incorporate a arty detachment but just can’t seem to manage it. I reaaaaaallllyyyy want 2 bombards but have the same issue there with the range of the arty being soooo far off table it’s ridiculous. That brought me to the griffon. Heavy mortar, chimera chassis, not a NOPE gun and kept with my idea of mobile warfare. Decent stats and a midline probability for success- sounds like guard to me;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353307-thoughts-on-the-griffon/#findComment-5239918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Cyanide Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 But Bombards are so cool looking! Why not throw in a Medusa so that you have one arty gun with some heavy punch instead of 3 Griffons? 2 Griffins and a Medusa would look pretty sweet rolling together! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353307-thoughts-on-the-griffon/#findComment-5239929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionofjudah Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 Currently have 1 Medusa carriage from my IW project- guy I got it from was great. He ran it as a legion Medusa and had a marine with a heavy bolter walk in front of it. ;)... does have that short range for sure:) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353307-thoughts-on-the-griffon/#findComment-5239998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I thought we agreed not to mention the Griffon because it makes me sad? Now GW is looking to the past a lot maybe there's chance of a new model... a man can dream! I think it's still solid even without the majesty of blast templates, and as duz says two of most artillery pieces is usually enough so you can spread your capabilities around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353307-thoughts-on-the-griffon/#findComment-5240070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrZakalwe Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I think the problems with the Griffin are threefold:1) It doesn't do much damage for it's points.2) it's ideal target profile overlaps with normal mortars quite a bit - this wouldn't be such an issue without point 1 but when added to it the problem is crippling.3) Assuming I wanted a weapon that engaged that target profile and I cared greatly about ignoring cover I'd take the Bombard due to it's greater shot output, range, rend, and russ level toughness meaning it wont use up any of your valuable 'out of LoS' space and can actually use it's heavy bolter reliably.Edit: Going to have to admit here that I really like the Bombard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353307-thoughts-on-the-griffon/#findComment-5240078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feral_80 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 The Griffon is a very poor piece, due to its very weird combination of stats. d3 damage means it is supposed to target multi-wound targets. But its relatively low S and modest AP means it won't be able to score wounds reliably on such targets, which typically have good T and save. Its low number of shots only aggravates its shortcomings and makes it pretty useless vs hordes, which it might wound easily. Essentially, the Griffon is the poor combination of a Basilisk and a mortar team, and does both jobs inefficiently. It can only become somewhat useful vs a very narrow category of targets: multi-W, low-T and low-save models, such as bikes, Ogryns, Tyranid warriors, and some DE vehicles (the latter of which it won't hit, anyway). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353307-thoughts-on-the-griffon/#findComment-5240208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HallofStovokor Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I would add to this that basilisks and mortars are great and both are relatively cheap on points. 108 for basilisks and 33 for a mortar squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353307-thoughts-on-the-griffon/#findComment-5240229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionofjudah Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 I appreciate all offerings on this AFV and have taken note- I’m going to order a bombard and have it next to the griffons to NOPE stuff ;) Also... I really wants one of the precious and have a friend that’s willing to part with one nos. The griffon is a sweet mini and I look forward to finishing painting them up. Of course, I’m staring at 2 bin boxes of washed resin right now and it makes my brain ache with anticipation to get started. I want to finish at least one of my Bolt Action armies before I begin on this guard project though so I better get busy:) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353307-thoughts-on-the-griffon/#findComment-5240617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'm Heckus Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 I just wish they’d completely re-write the wyvern. I have 2 collecting dust. Make a heavier mortar like the griffon but with more shots. Something! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353307-thoughts-on-the-griffon/#findComment-5240892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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