Primaris Marine Integration into Exisiting Crusades

[Son of Cathal]

Greetings,

 

I'm just returning to the hobby and trying to get up to speed with the advancement in the lore and I have a few questions regarding our new Primaris Brothers.

 

Fluff wise, how have the Primaris Marines been integrated into existing crusades?

 

As we all know, Black Templars don't follow the Codex Astartes and don't utilise scout squads as a means of inducting new aspirants into their ranks, rather aspirants take the role of Neophytes paired with Initiates who assess the Neophyte and decide when they are ready to take up the rank of Initiate themselves.

 

How then are Primaris Marines, fully fledged Marines in their own right brought into Black Templar crusades? Are they automatically granted the rank of Initiate or do they have to spend time as a Neophyte assigned to an OG Marine Initiate?

 

Additionally, Reavers appear to have taken the role of Scouts, do Black Templars now utilise Reavers as Scouts?

[SWORD BROTHER RYAN]

If it's fluff you're concerned about, most of these new marines are taken in squads of their own. But, given the Primarus treatment on Calagar of the Ultramarines, I can see an initiate from the BT taking the treatment and leading these new additions to the Crusade as a fully fledged brother to train them in our Chapter's ways. That's just how I see it.

 

Official fluff states that High Marshal Helbrecht initially resisted the Primarus, but after a 1-on-1 with Guilliman, took them along on a Crusade to liberate Shrine Worlds within reach. That's pretty much all the official fluff has to say on the matter.

[Medjugorje]

If it's fluff you're concerned about, most of these new marines are taken in squads of their own. But, given the Primarus treatment on Calagar of the Ultramarines, I can see an initiate from the BT taking the treatment and leading these new additions to the Crusade as a fully fledged brother to train them in our Chapter's ways. That's just how I see it.

 

Official fluff states that High Marshal Helbrecht initially resisted the Primarus, but after a 1-on-1 with Guilliman, took them along on a Crusade to liberate Shrine Worlds within reach. That's pretty much all the official fluff has to say on the matter.

no - thats not correct. He still get the plan to "produce" the newmarines.

[Sete]

So far as same as any other chapter. We need to wait for further fluff.

[Marshal Rohr]

On the lore side, I don't see Templars reorganizing to fit the new ONLY BOLTGUNS ONLY PLASMA ONLY SNEAKY model-induced template pushed by the studio. Instead I see them simply switching to produce Primaris marines that fit into the current organization (that has never been reflected by the rules anyway), going through their neophyte > initiation process as normal.

[Acebaur]

On the lore side, I don't see Templars reorganizing to fit the new ONLY BOLTGUNS ONLY PLASMA ONLY SNEAKY model-induced template pushed by the studio. Instead I see them simply switching to produce Primaris marines that fit into the current organization (that has never been reflected by the rules anyway), going through their neophyte > initiation process as normal.

I don't see them completely reorganizing either, but that being said, the Black Templars aren't adverse to wielding bolters. In fact the old codex even says that they are primarily armed with them.

[bolvar]

Hmmm...

 

If I've read correctly in the codex, it seems that primaris marines skip the whole neophyte/scout step. We haven't heard anything about primaris scouts, so, guess that they can't be guided like an oldmarine.

 

Maybe if they add primaris neophytes/scouts they can learn the BT way as they should. Meanwhile, primaris marines would work outside of that, just assembling their units and sending them right into the field, right?

[Marshal Rohr]

I'm not really saying they wouldn't use bolters, I'm saying I don't see them organizing along the new guidelines. Templars wouldn't really have any kind of demarcation along weapon loadouts. They'd use what they like best.

[redmapa]

Honestly we dont know how does a Primaris marine progress through the hierarchy of a normal or primaris chapter, that being said the process of creating Primaris isnt new as the Blood Angels have been doing a similar process of putting everything into the aspirants and then training them into Scouts so its not that far fetched to think that Primaris might get all the organs at once and then be inducted into a Scout rank and then promoted into Initiate like a normal marine.

 

Currently Primaris just have too many gaps in their fluff, nothing is really explained and as far as anyone is concerned they cant work as a normal chapter as they lack things like Veterans, rank progressions, specialists, scouts, vehicles, etc. There's just very little information to go on about how they exist within the chapters and on their own so do your own thing, that fits the Black Templars very well.

[+Chaplain Matthias+]

The fluff for my personal crusade is that one group of initiates volunteered for the primaris treatment as an experiment. They don't allow fully fledged primaris outsiders to join their ranks. That's how I deal with it. If the official cannon ever says that RG forced his primaris on the Black Templars, then my crusade would make them go through the same neophyte process as anyone else. No special treatment. Then again my crusade is lost on the far side of the rift so I don't think they have much contact with Terra anyway.

[Honda]

The fluff for my personal crusade is that one group of initiates volunteered for the primaris treatment as an experiment. They don't allow fully fledged primaris outsiders to join their ranks.

 

 

That's a really cool idea that I hadn't thought about doing.

 

I think I'll...share it, yeah that's it, I'm going to share that idea with a friend. :P

[Sete]

Shame they forgot how to organise in crusader squads, how to embark and disembark rhinos and land raiders and how to use chainswords, and how to train neophytes. :P

What a :cussty upgrade. It needs patching.

 

Seriously though, while I have been warming up to Primaris, I need them more fleshed out before committing.

 

When they are able to stand in the table with a proper chapter organization, I'll look at them.

[+Chaplain Matthias+]

Shame they forgot how to organise in crusader squads, how to embark and disembark rhinos and land raiders and how to use chainswords, and how to train neophytes. :P

What a :cussty upgrade. It needs patching.

 

Seriously though, while I have been warming up to Primaris, I need them more fleshed out before committing.

 

When they are able to stand in the table with a proper chapter organization, I'll look at them.

Yes I can't wait until there's a melee squad. Im confident they'll make one eventually because I think they're phasing out squat Marines over the next few editions. I'm just worried that any primaris melee squads they come out with will lack variety and use legion tactics like intercessors and hellblasters.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Breachers would be cool though,

[Sete]

Primaris Sword Bros.

[CommodusXIII]

Shame they forgot how to organise in crusader squads, how to embark and disembark rhinos and land raiders and how to use chainswords, and how to train neophytes. :P

Maybe I'm in the somewhat-unique position of having missed everything past 3rd Edition. I've lived without such things before. It's almost like going home. :)