Angel_of_Blood Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 So with Burried Dagger our next month, then onto the Seige. What plot lines or characters have we not had any real final resolutions for that you all can think of. Granted some of these might or probably will get resolved in the Seige books, but let’s speculate anyway. I did have a lot more in my head earlier, but here’s a couple for now. Cyrene. Last seen being given a chance by Prytanis, likely with the Cabal, but to what end. Soneka and Bronzi, and other Alpha Legion agents. Thought we might see them appear in another novel or some shorts, but no sign, and the end of Slaves to Darkness seemed to imply Omegon and the Legion were finished with the War. But then it is the XXth, so yeah. Sevatar. Last time we knew about him, he was shipped off to a jail somewhere in Ultramar right? Seems to be an odd way to just end his arc, especially due to his popularity and own shorts. Wayland, Sharrowkyn and the rest of the crew of the Sisypheum. Last duped by Alpharius and then fled. Had quite a lot of screen time over the novels and short stories, so another lot I expected to see again before now. May very well turn up prior to the Siege, but seems unlikely seeing as all the routes are barred off now. Most of the ones I can think of now. Are others though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Wasn't there already a thread by b1soul covering This? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5242287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranwulf Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 I hope people are all right with spoilers, but I will edit later if necessary. 1. Like you said. Whatever happened to Sevatar. You'd think after what, three books with Night Lords front and center, the 1st captain would have gotten out of that prison. 2. Lorgar, mostly because its going to be weird that the First (third?) Heretic will not be at the Siege. Would be interesting to know what he is going to be doing. Same for Curze, as he is just drifiting in space now. 3. Marius Gage is still adrift in the Warp. Ran Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5242295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Wasn't there already a thread by b1soul covering This? Yep, its just been shuffled back to the second page. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5242302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roomsky Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 One of the reasons I hope The Scouring gets its own, proper follow-up series is that several character arcs are just going to sit there without it. Stuff like Soneka and Bronzi I don't mind, their initial arc had enough closure that I could live without seeing them again. But Cyrene, Sev, the Sisypheum crew, and basically every legion not present at the siege will absolutely need follow up for any kind of proper closure (not that I even like Sharrowkyn and his merry band of idiots). An unresolved and untapped opportunity is what's happening on Mars. Zagreus Kane and Kelbor Hal are two major faction leaders, and we have no idea what happens to them during or post Heresy. There's a lot of potential there for politicking and cloak and dagger with the possibility of very real consequences. Unlike with the legion characters and primarchs, no one in the Mechanicum arc has plot armor, and I think it's a shame we haven't seen that taken advantage of. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5242323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Well said, Roomsky. While it makes complete sense for the Horus Heresy (and, to a lesser degree, the Siege of Terra) to be self-contained from the Scouring, it would be baffling if plans — however broad — are not already in place for further tales in M31 to be told. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5242334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manchu warlord Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 The thing I am most wondering about, is the fate of the Word Bearer 'Sorot Tchure'. He was (and still is) one of those characters that I really wanted to see die. In KNF and Dark Heart, we last see him fighting Aeonid Thiel, and gets half his face sliced off, before he teleported away with Kor Phaeron, and leaving us ignorant of his fate. I know, he is a small character, he ain't a creation of ADB, Wraight or French, so who cares about him? Why bother about his fate? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5242809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 What's left of the Shattered Legions? Specifically, is Hibou Khan still out there? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5242814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morovir Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 The thing I am most wondering about, is the fate of the Word Bearer 'Sorot Tchure'. He was (and still is) one of those characters that I really wanted to see die. In KNF and Dark Heart, we last see him fighting Aeonid Thiel, and gets half his face sliced off, before he teleported away with Kor Phaeron, and leaving us ignorant of his fate. I know, he is a small character, he ain't a creation of ADB, Wraight or French, so who cares about him? Why bother about his fate? I mean, he is a creation of Abnett... Macragge's Honour and Children of Sicarus make no mention of him, so we don't know whether he got off the Infidus Imperator. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5242825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedor Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 The scene in KNF where Tchure tried to give his Ultramarine friend a hint of what was going to happen was one of the best in the series. Haunting. I can do without seeing the Sisypheum crew again, as i have a feeling McNeil could easily fall into the trap he did in AE and to an extent Crimson King where he focuses so much on his own characters from other works to the detriment of the overall "feel" of the book. Makes things seem so small. A siege book mostly about sisypheum crew, his Iron Warriors characters, Lucius and noble Samurai man might not turn out bad in itself, but it's not really what i'm looking for. I hope things are spread out a bit more.I really hope Sharrowkyn doesn't turn up just to get killed by Lucius, not for any favourites reasons, just a feeling it would be utterly unnecessary and that the character already served his purpose in Lucius arc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5242853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel_of_Blood Posted January 27, 2019 Author Share Posted January 27, 2019 What's left of the Shattered Legions? Specifically, is Hibou Khan still out there? Hibou Khan as far as we know is still kicking. A huge chunk of Iron Hands led by the council are still around, but they seem to have abandoned the war do a degree, looking to there own needs. Bunch of traitors that they are. The crew of the Sisypheum are still around. Got a lot of Salamanders left on Nocturne, no sign of them leaving though. Presumably some Raven Guard still stealthing around, but might have pulled back after the events of Weregeld. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5242861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCagh Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Narek is still in the wind with Eldrad. I want to say Eldrad promised him a shot at Lorgar if he helped him root out the cabal, but I could be mistaken. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5242870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonreaper666 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Narek is still in the wind with Eldrad. I want to say Eldrad promised him a shot at Lorgar if he helped him root out the cabal, but I could be mistaken. Narek clearly fails since Lorgar is not only alive but just recently dueled a mutated Corax Narek should just settle with killing somebody on the Dark Council besides Erebus and Kor Phaeron Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5242916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 In what book did Lorgar duel the "unleashed" Circus exactly? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5243815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_r_parker Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 IIRC it was in the Primarchs Anthology Book last year. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5243846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel_of_Blood Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 Indeed. Shadows of the Past, from the Sons of the Emperor anthology. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5243855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I found the mute Raven Guard that started hanging out with the Night Lords fascinating. Has his arc ever been expanded on? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5244189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob P Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I found the mute Raven Guard that started hanging out with the Night Lords fascinating. Has his arc ever been expanded on? Probably someone for Sigismund to kill It's kind of a reverse of the original topic, but i'm a tiny bit disappointed by the lack of developed characters over the 50+ books for Sigismund to kill on Terra Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5244198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grailkeeper Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 How much has been covered of the Fallen Dark Angels? That was the most well known story set during the heresy before the book series. It started pretty well in the beginning then seems to have disappeared completely. I'll admit not having read the Dark Angel v Night Lord books so I might have missed somethings. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5244222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel_of_Blood Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 I found the mute Raven Guard that started hanging out with the Night Lords fascinating. Has his arc ever been expanded on? Probably someone for Sigismund to kill It's kind of a reverse of the original topic, but i'm a tiny bit disappointed by the lack of developed characters over the 50+ books for Sigismund to kill on Terra Yeah I’ve tried to think of who Sigismund can kill from the characters in the series who we haven’t seen in 40k or at least post-Heresy, at least ones that at least slightly notable. Khârn is the exception there in a sense, but we know he dies during the Siege, so Sigismund killing him would be a good bet. Emperors Children: Guessing there won’t be any, seeing as they go off to do...things...to the civilian population. Iron Warriors: There’s none that immediately spring to mind of actual note, which is another downside of McNeill using all his characters from 40k novels to cast his HH stories. Night Lords: Naraka and Alastor Rushal(the Raven Guard Captain) of the Kyroptera. Potential end for Sevatar. World Eaters: Skane, Kargos and Khârn. Death Guard: Kalgaro and I suppose he could fight and banish Grulgor. Sons of Horus: Aximand if he joined the fighting on the ground, but he’s surely going to be killed by Loken. Ekkadon is a solid choice, also Tybalt Marr. Thousand Sons: Just about every character I can think of that is still alive, lives past the Heresy. Word Bearers: I’ve not read any of the Word Bearers 40k books, but I’m led to believe a lot of the characters from the Heresy appear in 40k. Alpha Legion: Who the :cuss knows. Seeing as Omegon seems to have indicated that the legion are done with the war. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5244226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I found the mute Raven Guard that started hanging out with the Night Lords fascinating. Has his arc ever been expanded on? Probably someone for Sigismund to kill It's kind of a reverse of the original topic, but i'm a tiny bit disappointed by the lack of developed characters over the 50+ books for Sigismund to kill on Terra Yeah I’ve tried to think of who Sigismund can kill from the characters in the series who we haven’t seen in 40k or at least post-Heresy, at least ones that at least slightly notable. Khârn is the exception there in a sense, but we know he dies during the Siege, so Sigismund killing him would be a good bet. Emperors Children: Guessing there won’t be any, seeing as they go off to do...things...to the civilian population. Iron Warriors: There’s none that immediately spring to mind of actual note, which is another downside of McNeill using all his characters from 40k novels to cast his HH stories. Night Lords: Naraka and Alastor Rushal(the Raven Guard Captain) of the Kyroptera. Potential end for Sevatar. World Eaters: Skane, Kargos and Khârn. Death Guard: Kalgaro and I suppose he could fight and banish Grulgor. Sons of Horus: Aximand if he joined the fighting on the ground, but he’s surely going to be killed by Loken. Ekkadon is a solid choice, also Tybalt Marr. Thousand Sons: Just about every character I can think of that is still alive, lives past the Heresy. Word Bearers: I’ve not read any of the Word Bearers 40k books, but I’m led to believe a lot of the characters from the Heresy appear in 40k. Alpha Legion: Who the :cuss knows. Seeing as Omegon seems to have indicated that the legion are done with the war. But another weakness is, I think, that Sigismund is a bit dull and himself undeveloped? And dull characters - only names on top of clichés - fighting one another doesn't sound very satisfying. Now French might change how I perceive Sigismund in The Solar War, as Sigismund is one of the four main characters. He certainly can write great characters who are Imperial Fists when he spends time with them, as well as other legions, so we shall see! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5244230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morovir Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Kargos is seen post-Heresy as a champion of Khorne, whereas Skane's fate is covered in A Rose Watered with Blood. It is also alluded to in Lucius: The Eternal Blade that Lucius fights Sigismund during the Siege of Terra, though Lucius himself is very insistent that it never happened, so that could be a possibility. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5244237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 IIRC it was in the Primarchs Anthology Book last year. Wasn't he seeking Lorgar, not actually fighting him? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5244255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 IIRC it was in the Primarchs Anthology Book last year. Wasn't he seeking Lorgar, not actually fighting him? Corax stalks and slaughters some Word Bearers in the guise of a daemonic shadow, who then flee to Aurelian, thereby leading Corax to him, and they briefly duel before Lorgar retreats with his sons through a portal to Sicarus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5244268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbienw Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Corax is Lorgars nemesis :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353401-unresolved-plots-or-characters-from-the-heresy-series/#findComment-5244293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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