What new Classic Marine units would you like to see?

[Captain Idaho]

This topic is about getting a feeling for what the community might want to see as a release for Classic Marines (Imperial). If you don't care etc then this topic is not for you. Remember the rules for derailing thread...

 

What new units (models and rules) would you like to see released for Classic Marines:

 

1) Breachers.

2) Destroyers.

3) Customisable Honour Guard.

4) Chapter specific units (1 per Chapter in Codex).

5) Any combination of the above.

6) Other (please specify).

[Bryan Blaire]

Terminators of all kinds, new Scouts, and that's probably all there needs to be. Everything can be made. No 30K units should ever be in 40K.

 

If brand new Marine units of the classic Marine style are to be made, they should be completely unique things, not 30K units. 30K units should stay in 30K. And because no new classic Marines are apparently planned going forward, nothing new will be made.

[No Foes Remain]

Breachers. They exist in the lore, both sides in the Badab War using them a lot (figures when you have Astartes fighting Astartes), and they would fit in well in the troop section. Tougher than tacs but not as tough as termies, good and taking and holding but need to be supported on an open battlefield but hold their own in a urban environment. Allow them to take specials and stormbolters, making them an alternative but not a replacement for tactical squads.

[Robbienw]

Definitely breachers and honour guard as all new kits.

 

New updated versions of current kits -  standard Terminators, Bikes and a Techmarine

[Lord Raven 19]

Mor Deythan/Shadowmasters, chapter symbol free honour guard, big guns.

 

Also, thinking about it, techmarine and chaplain, as well as a MK6 armour box (With RG icons optional)

[Slave to Darkness]

New sculpts of the Rogue Trader Dreadnought and a modern version of the RTB01 boxset.

[Marshal Reinhard]

While I gave up on this long ago, I'd like to see plastic kit for some unique units we used to have, or still have but are desperate need of an update. Yeah strictly self interested here.

[Captain Idaho]

Breachers in the lead...

[m0nolith]

Terminators of all kinds, new Scouts, and that's probably all there needs to be. Everything can be made. No 30K units should ever be in 40K.

 

If brand new Marine units of the classic Marine style are to be made, they should be completely unique things, not 30K units. 30K units should stay in 30K. And because no new classic Marines are apparently planned going forward, nothing new will be made.

First, why would the company limit their sales only to one game system when they could easily expand their market base to two.

 

Second, I keep hearing that no new regular marines are planned, but where and when was this said by the actual company? Was this something that was generated by forum boards such as this and repeated ad nauseam to a point where people assume its true, ie, MkIII armour isnt good for jump troops.

[Captain Idaho]

A well known 40K YouTuber confirmed to me that GW weren't going to...

 

But they might listen to feedback!

 

Considering a decent plastic kit that can work in 30K and 40K can fill 2 holes and make a ton of money... and Breachers and Destroyers fill that gap though so do Chapter specific units if the rules were there in a Codex (and plastic helps).

[m0nolith]

A well known 40K YouTuber confirmed to me that GW weren't going to...

Can you tell me what Youtuber it was.

Valrak?

[Captain Idaho]

It wouldn't be right for me to comment on who it was without their permission.

[m0nolith]

It wouldn't be right for me to comment on who it was without their permission.

Ok, fair enough, and I believe it when you say you did, but like that game musical chairs things can get lost when it goes from one person to the next, not to mention the validity of the person who originally gave this info to that Youtuber. Also, If its just one source, then I would be inclined to be skeptical until its corroborated from other sources that have been right about rumors like this in the past. 

 

There's been to many times in the past when the various 40k Forums were absolutely certain on something and it ended up being completely wrong, so I'm always skeptical until I hear more about it from known sources.

[Jings]

New sculpts of the Rogue Trader Dreadnought

 

Isn't that the Contemptor and/or Dorito dread(s)?

[Captain Idaho]

 

It wouldn't be right for me to comment on who it was without their permission.

 

Ok, fair enough, and I believe it when you say you did, but like that game musical chairs things can get lost when it goes from one person to the next, not to mention the validity of the person who originally gave this info to that Youtuber. Also, If its just one source, then I would be inclined to be skeptical until its corroborated from other sources that have been right about rumors like this in the past. 

 

There's been to many times in the past when the various 40k Forums were absolutely certain on something and it ended up being completely wrong, so I'm always skeptical until I hear more about it from known sources.

Would be nice for further verification but it was good enough for me. I appreciate that might not be the same for others.

 

Anyway I fancy a bit of social discussion and information here should be a good thing at least for the community.

[Bryan Blaire]

First, why would the company limit their sales only to one game system when they could easily expand their market base to two.

 

Second, I keep hearing that no new regular marines are planned, but where and when was this said by the actual company? Was this something that was generated by forum boards such as this and repeated ad nauseam to a point where people assume its true, ie, MkIII armour isnt good for jump troops.

First, if they intended to bring 30K units into the standard 40K game, don't you think they would have done something around the time of the plastic Mk4 or Mk3 box releases? They are keeping the Heresy material distinct from 40K. Even Breachers in the Badab War were only done in Forge World product, and from what I remember, prior to the release of Betrayal of Calth or Burning of Prospero. And as far as I'm concerned, can stay in the FW domain - the thread was "What new classic Marine units would you like to see?" I don't ever want to see Breachers or Destroyers...

 

Second, I don't believe it's been outright stated by any company member, however, I feel like it's a pretty safely deduced idea, given that when discussing Marines in the Voxcast with Jervis, nothing was said regarding the idea that there might be some more classic style Marines in development, however, it was very clear that there is a pretty large developed concept line, at least, for the Primaris, with likely years of releases planned given the "tip of the iceberg" line.

 

I'd be pleasantly surprised if a new classic Marine kit came out, but I know that I and others I talked to about the Community Survey 2018 pretty heavily about not forgetting about the classic kits, and yet for all of that, what was responded to was the plastic Sisters, with not even a comment of "We also heard you wanted some classic Marine kits." Now, I plan on commenting on it again in the new survey, but I'm not about to delude myself that we are going to see any given the existence of the Primaris (which have more intellectual property protections and the like) and comments that have been made.

[m0nolith]

 

First, why would the company limit their sales only to one game system when they could easily expand their market base to two.

 

Second, I keep hearing that no new regular marines are planned, but where and when was this said by the actual company? Was this something that was generated by forum boards such as this and repeated ad nauseam to a point where people assume its true, ie, MkIII armour isnt good for jump troops.

First, if they intended to bring 30K units into the standard 40K game, don't you think they would have done something around the time of th plastic Mk4 or Mk3 box releases? They are keeping the Heresy material distinct from 40K.

 

 

Save Ahriman and Geigor Fell-Hand, everything else that came out in those boxes, the Cataphractii, the Tartaros termies, the Custodes, SoS, Contemptor, all of that got rules for 40k shortly after it came out. Even the Tartaros Sgt Volkite pistol got rules since it was in the box. If it's in plastic, 40k players should get rules for them. Besides, there's no way they're not going to since GW maximizes profit by selling both to 30k and 40k players.

 

When it comes to resin, yes some should stay specifically in 30k and 30k should stay distinct, I love my Volkite Calivers and my Phospex and yes I would like to keep Destroyers 30k specific, but its ridiculous to demand that ALL 30k units should not be in 40k.

40k players should have access to the various types of Sicarans, Custodes Dreadnoughts, flyers, ect ect. Those are cool models and people should have access to them.

 

When it comes to the other subject, I'v already discussed it with Captain Idaho and made my points there. 

[deathspectersgt7]

Honor Guard . Non Chapter specific that is .

[Bryan Blaire]

Save Ahriman and Geigor Fell-Hand, everything else that came out in those boxes, the Cataphractii, the Tartaros termies, the Custodes, SoS, Contemptor, all of that got rules for 40k shortly after it came out. Even the Tartaros Sgt Volkite pistol got rules since it was in the box. If it's in plastic, 40k players should get rules for them. Besides, there's no way they're not going to since GW maximizes profit by selling both to 30k and 40k players.

 

When it comes to resin, yes some should stay specifically in 30k and 30k should stay distinct, I love my Volkite Calivers and my Phospex and yes I would like to keep Destroyers 30k specific, but its ridiculous to demand that ALL 30k units should not be in 40k.

40k players should have access to the various types of Sicarans, Custodes Dreadnoughts, flyers, ect ect. Those are cool models and people should have access to them.

 

When it comes to the other subject, I'v already discussed it with Captain Idaho and made my points there.

 

If it comes out in plastic, sure, it's extremely likely to get 40K rules - I never said it wouldn't. I said it shouldn't. They haven't been moved yet, and my preference (which is what this poll asked for) would be that they never do. They have remained FW so far, when they would have had a great opportunity to have made it otherwise already...

 

As far as 40K players having access to the FW stuff - they already do have access from what I can tell - through Forge World. There's no real need for any further...

 

And it's great that you discussed it with Captain Idaho, but you quoted me and I provided my response. I don't see those posts. If you have no wish to discuss further, that's fine, it's not really the remit of this thread anyway.

[Slave to Darkness]

 

New sculpts of the Rogue Trader Dreadnought

 

Isn't that the Contemptor and/or Dorito dread(s)?

 

These sexy little beautys, their weapon loadouts dictated if they were 'Contemptor' etc. A larger version of these and RTB01 Marines would make me throw all my money at GW so I can relive my childhood. 

[m0nolith]

 

Save Ahriman and Geigor Fell-Hand, everything else that came out in those boxes, the Cataphractii, the Tartaros termies, the Custodes, SoS, Contemptor, all of that got rules for 40k shortly after it came out. Even the Tartaros Sgt Volkite pistol got rules since it was in the box. If it's in plastic, 40k players should get rules for them. Besides, there's no way they're not going to since GW maximizes profit by selling both to 30k and 40k players.

 

When it comes to resin, yes some should stay specifically in 30k and 30k should stay distinct, I love my Volkite Calivers and my Phospex and yes I would like to keep Destroyers 30k specific, but its ridiculous to demand that ALL 30k units should not be in 40k.

40k players should have access to the various types of Sicarans, Custodes Dreadnoughts, flyers, ect ect. Those are cool models and people should have access to them.

 

When it comes to the other subject, I'v already discussed it with Captain Idaho and made my points there.

If it comes out in plastic, sure, it's extremely likely to get 40K rules - I never said it wouldn't. I said it shouldn't. They haven't been moved yet, and my preference (which is what this poll asked for) would be that they never do. They have remained FW so far, when they would have had a great opportunity to have made it otherwise already...

 

As far as 40K players having access to the FW stuff - they already do have access from what I can tell - through Forge World. There's no real need for any further...

 

And it's great that you discussed it with Captain Idaho, but you quoted me and I provided my response. I don't see those posts. If you have no wish to discuss further, that's fine, it's not really the remit of this thread anyway.

 

I'm just against keeping all these cool toys to myself.

I would love to have someone buy one of these boxes or units for 40k, and then another, and another, and eventually they find out they have a small and decent 30k force.

They might decide to play a few games of HH to see its for them, and maybe it is.

40k is a great gateway drug for 30k

 

When it comes to the regular marines and all that.

Until I hear corroborating info from other trusted sources like Atia or Hastings and a few others, then I'd be inclined to think its true, until then I'm skeptical.

[Master Commander Ajax]

I’d like to see the entire range revamped (like they should have got in 2017), at this point though I’d be willing to accept anything.

 

I’d be all over a plastic Deimos Rhino. A redesigned Drednaught kit would be pretty epic aswel.

[Marshal Reinhard]

Heresy is pretty much responsible for steering Forgeworld away from 40k. Before they were a source for some of us 2nd founding and later chapters... I guess they stil have some of things of their own chapter, the red scorpions, but there used to be more. The rest was pretty much drowned out by the almost absurd amount of legion upgrade kits and redundant contemptor variants (and I say this as someone who adores contemptors) and once they started doing custodes too, I had to face the fact they were never going back to 40k. Specifically for me, Forgeworld had used to be a great source of BT material, one of the few since we don't get any GW releases either. But now that's gone too.

 

You'll forgive me for not caring to see more heresy in 40k. Guess you kinda have gotten a taste of what it's like given that FW does Ad-tit and other specialist games now too and thus heresy has lost considerable momentum. You have my condolences, wouldn't really wish that on anyone.

 

This is probably too salty/whiny to merit being posted here, but I've seen worse.

[Captain Idaho]

Players rarely, if ever, get into Heresy first without having played other GW games. 40K is the most common there by a long way.

 

30K plastics in 40K are a brilliant way to make people realise "hey I got 2 armies in one here with only a few tweaks." It makes sense for GW in a business sense.

 

However, I also have a preference for cool and would like to play that cool against my friends' Orks, Tyranids, Genestealer Cult, Death Guard (40K) armies. I have NO 30K friends in town.

 

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Steering the topic back slightly; I am totally in love with the idea of Honour Guard and if they had a customisable unit with perhaps a slight revamp of their rules it would bring some hitting power back to Marines armies.

 

And who wouldn't want to see a Cataphractii armour model with a Breacher shield eh!

[MARK0SIAN]

Personally I’m against incorporating Heresy units like destroyers into 8th edition. I really like that Heresy and 40k have a different selection of units and I don’t want the marines in both versions to be carbon copies of each other.

 

The only thing I would incorporate from Heresy is veteran squads being able to select certain tactics to really set them apart and let them specialise. This may even be a way to create the chapter specific units that people may want.

 

Customisable honour Guard I can definitely get behind, it would allow a lot more flavour for some chapters.