Wassa Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 Probably accounting for the headshot rule where you do extra wounds on a 3+/4+/etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353866-dealing-with-enemy-characters/page/2/#findComment-5262415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Vindicare sucks :) Really, he is a bit better than before but still massively random and unreliable. Run the maths. I remember when people screamed he was imba when the index came out. Then everybody realized he was not at all. Same now I believe. Apparently his fluff takes precedence over his stats when judging his game performance, for some reason. Just blast the chaff away and you'll he able to 'snipe' those characters :P Maths run -- there's about a 30% chance he deals 4 or more damage to a Guardsmen hero, and about a 30% chance that he fails to hurt anyone. The rest is a 1-3 damage. So while not terrible, he's still unreliable. Where did you get 30% chance? He has an 84.5% that he will hit his target. A 16.5% that the hit will result in D6 damage. Then he's got a 50% that the D6 damage will lead to 4 or more wounds. .845x.165x.5=.0697 or 6.97125% chance to kill a company commander. The vindicare assassin is best for killing elite characters with 3 wounds. In that scenario he will kill a character, with a 4+ save or worse and 3 wounds, 33% of the time. The vindicare is better at killing characters than a guardsman with a sniper rifle, but the guardsman and his rifle only cost 6 points. The vindicare will be 85 points. Those points would be better spent on 2 squads of infantry with grenade launchers or sniper rifles, or 2 mortar squads than on a single model which has no ability to shoot away hordes. He has the headshot rule? Where you can do additional MW to a target you wounded on a 3+, then a 4+, then a 5+, and then a 6+. So, that and the 16% chance to do damage ups the distribution of 4 or higher wounds significantly. The exact distribution over 10000* trials is something like: 0 - 3090 1 - 688 2 - 1394 3 - 1852 4 - 1414 5 - 865 6 - 405 7 - 176 8 - 87 9 - 26 10 - 3 So unless I'm missing something, that's 2,976 times out of 10,000 where he deals 4 or more damage, which is approx. 30% Granted, this is assuming neither side are using any command point rerolls, which I think would be useful here. *I've run it around 4 or 5 times, just to check the consistency and it's always about the same. Give or take 1 or 2 here or there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353866-dealing-with-enemy-characters/page/2/#findComment-5262437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HallofStovokor Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Oh, I must have missed that on the data sheet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353866-dealing-with-enemy-characters/page/2/#findComment-5262443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairence Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Mainly out of curiosity, does this account for him doing D6 damage instead of D3 on a 6+ to wound or would that make it too complicated? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353866-dealing-with-enemy-characters/page/2/#findComment-5262448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Mainly out of curiosity, does this account for him doing D6 damage instead of D3 on a 6+ to wound or would that make it too complicated? It does -- if the woundRoll is equal to a 6, it does a random number between one and six (inclusive) for damage, but if the woundRoll is less than 6, it does between one and three (inclusive). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353866-dealing-with-enemy-characters/page/2/#findComment-5262451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoots Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 excuse me but several people mentioned the mordian trait "form firing squad" as a useful tool in dealing with characters, I'm very new to guard but cannot find this rule in the codex. can you reference it's location please? Many thanks Hoots Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353866-dealing-with-enemy-characters/page/2/#findComment-5308786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wassa Posted May 7, 2019 Author Share Posted May 7, 2019 Mordian special order I believe so on the page after the normal orders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353866-dealing-with-enemy-characters/page/2/#findComment-5308790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santaclauswitz Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 excuse me but several people mentioned the mordian trait "form firing squad" as a useful tool in dealing with characters, I'm very new to guard but cannot find this rule in the codex. can you reference it's location please? Many thanks Hoots It's not a trait it's the Mordian order. It's with all the other regiment specific orders like 'mount up' for steel legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353866-dealing-with-enemy-characters/page/2/#findComment-5308791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoots Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 excuse me but several people mentioned the mordian trait "form firing squad" as a useful tool in dealing with characters, I'm very new to guard but cannot find this rule in the codex. can you reference it's location please? Many thanks Hoots It's not a trait it's the Mordian order. It's with all the other regiment specific orders like 'mount up' for steel legion. Hi there, thanks for that i just found the page again (P86 of the codex) I knew it was in there somewhere but kept going past it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353866-dealing-with-enemy-characters/page/2/#findComment-5308801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Divebomb some ogryns with a valkyre? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353866-dealing-with-enemy-characters/page/2/#findComment-5309757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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