Nova_Dew Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 can any one expand on what the Esoterist is, im not asking for rules just what they are compared to a normal libby, trying to plan how i will model one. I'll say this full in the knowledge that I don't have the book, so this may end up being proven totally wrong. To me, an Esoterist is definitely not a Librarian. If you wanted a Libbie and what they represent in terms of the Librarius was as an established, recognised order within the Legions, you get a Librarian Consul instead. Librarians = Formal Instruction, Esoterists do not. An Esoterist is not part of the established order. In the traitor legions, he's potentially a guy like Typhon or Sevatar, but more tied into or attuned to the whispers of the Dark Gods in terms of where his abilities are drawn from, rather than being simply pre-cognitive or something like that. Obviously they have Psyker potential, but it's limited and focussed, thus you can only get two Mastery Levels with him, and they're fixed to either Sanctic or Malefic Daemonology. These are the guys properly dabbling in the warp in their downtime. Serghar Targost, the Lodge Master of the Sons of Horus, would be a good example of an Esoterist in a traitor legion, based on what he's doing in Vengeful Spirit. For the Loyalists, it's a little harder to pin down. The route I'm going to take is something along the lines of this - This is the Age of Darkness, and there are costs to pay, and distasteful weapons that need to be wielded in order for righteousness to triumph. I can see certain Primarchs, the Lion and Guilliman especially, but maybe Corax as well, conducting testing and tapping into the power in the warp in order to combat that which comes from it. Given the dangers, this would be done separately to the formal activities of the Librarius, using Librarians as they've already received training in the Psychic Arts, though again, they're still very much learning Daemonology, thus the lower Mastery levels. The Fluff to them said they are Librarians that returned to using their powers when Suddenly Deamons!!!!! happened, after Nicea there was no librarius organisation and all SM psykers were either killed/locked away and/or banned from using their powers, hence the lowered power. the best examples are the BA's from fear to tread and the IF/UM (cant remember which legion just locked them away) librarians that were locked away just in case. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5286358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1SB Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Outstanding information, thanks. That's very interesting material for army ideas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5286633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJB Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Pre-Orders are up now, there's £80 away..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5286707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bung Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Pre-Orders are up now, there's £80 away..... For you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5286766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Esoterists were like Roach from Apocolypse Now* ...those scary dudes in the back that pull out when you don't know what else to do * Hidden Content https://youtu.be/f96p-IhcZhQ (warning: language in clip) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5286807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aias Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Pre-Orders are up now, there's £80 away..... Welp, I'm poor again now... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5286862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 I wanna add: coming from somebody who themed their army after malice for years, it's super cool that the unspoken chaos god has rules again! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5287154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Some of the Endless Spells alone might make awesome Daemons, or the basis for great conversions. Imagine a bunch of those floating Khorne skulls crying rivers of blood all over everything, or especially the Beasts of Chaos spells with burning bulls or the spectral crows! An amazing idea!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5290885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Some of the Endless Spells alone might make awesome Daemons, or the basis for great conversions. Imagine a bunch of those floating Khorne skulls crying rivers of blood all over everything, or especially the Beasts of Chaos spells with burning bulls or the spectral crows! An amazing idea!!!! The Horse one from the beastmen or Nighthaunt will be PERFECT. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5290907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The4thHorseman Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Is there a Picture or Description of Pre Primarch Blood Angels' Legion Icon? From what I've seen it just looks like a blood smear on one side and a Roman Numeral 9 on the other. Is there anything under the smear? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5291187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 My copy arrived today, and I must admit Nullificator and their squads look tastey (and the lore behind them, like proto-Grey Knights) and the Toxiferran Flamer looks pretty handy too. Is there a Picture or Description of Pre Primarch Blood Angels' Legion Icon? From what I've seen it just looks like a blood smear on one side and a Roman Numeral 9 on the other. Is there anything under the smear? Theres a picture on a previous page that Soldier of Dorn posted and there doesn't seem to be a symbol there (similar to the pre-primarch XIXth), looking at the clearer copy in my book there doesn't seem to be one at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5291660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Could someone please share details about what the AL Chondax shadow campaign is all about? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5291674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volt Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Images brought to us by the courtesy of our Russian Fraters on VK. Never thought I'd see a White Scar in camo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5294074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Well, a Terran Star Hunter in camo, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5294106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The4thHorseman Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Hmm... So there is a symbol on the RT Shoulder Pad of Pre Blood Angels Marine, though its just Battlefield Role Marking, in this case Heavy Support. Good enough for me. Go Go Pre BA Squad! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5294158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 The new book is awesome, nobody will play ir here but at least its colectionable Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5294415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dimetrius Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Got my copy today! Happy I was able to dodge a hard Brexit. Feels really good to open up a Black Book again. Have been avoiding spoilers, and after a quick skim it looks as lovely as it always does. Going to give it a first read tonight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5294432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I've just gotten to Signus but I really liked them explaining warp related stuff that, in-universe, has been hard to explain. But the detail of it, and the random occurrences in regards to the warp during the Great Crusade is really cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5294450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbero666 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I've been reading some of it, so far i'ts good. Plenty of new background to dwell in. Really liked the Elucidators inclusion, Malcador's Men in Black. Also the fact that the Imperial Fists were used by the Emperor to combat Daemons, cultists and other warp perils, and their pioneer use of psyarkana. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5294455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Also got my copy yesterday and I've been picking through it since. I'm really enjoying it so far! I've mostly just kind of picked around and read all the color plate descriptions, unit and character entries, and whatever else caught my eye. I've just started going through the new Legion entries and then I'll probably dive into the main campaign stuff and offer my thoughts when I've finished. I'm very interested to see where Tsolmon Khan goes... he is very loyal to the Khan but divisive among the rest of the Scars, and "...well known to warriors of a number of Legions..." Anyone want to place odds on him ending up in the Sagyar Mazan (or worse)? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5294461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlisimo Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I feel like the writing is a little closer to the prose in 40k codexes than that of previous books. (More dramatic, phrases like “So it was that...”, if that makes any sense.). Only by a little bit, but I did like Bligh’s style. The content’s great, though. No complaints there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5294469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I noticed that too. The writers embraced some writing choices (specifically the rhetorical question in the lost legion section) I’d never seen Bligh use. It still retained the more grounded and historical approach to the combat, lore, and legions than any 40k piece has since 5th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5294494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Any new IW fluff? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5294515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 So is the early IXth even more SAVAGE! and BRUTAL! than the early VIth and XIIth? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5294560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ficinus Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353925-horus-heresy-book-8-malevolence/page/10/#findComment-5294576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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