Lord Kallozar Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 For example if a space marine is accused for heresy what’s the process of justice? Execution on the spot or a “court hearing” as such. Just curious. Have there been examples of space marines who have been found out for secretly conspiring with chaos etc? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353945-executed-for-heresy-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Chaplains are kind of spiritual/commisar types for chapters. I figure they might be brought up on charges (out of active combat), with something like a court-martial or Captain's Mast but a bastardzation of Knights and Monastic orders. That said, more often than not in 40k, if there is any doubt, there is no doubt, and the accused would be banished (if not killed outright) and have to go on a penitent mission/crusade or maybe have to join the Deathwatch as a Black shield. I picture it a lot like how The Shipmaster (Soon to be the Arbiter) became The Arbiter in Halo 2. https://youtu.be/gfh0pNFHM0M For reference (from the anniversary edition) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353945-executed-for-heresy-question/#findComment-5258854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfred_the_great Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 There's a short story about the trial of the Mantis Warriors - pretty illuminating IIRC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353945-executed-for-heresy-question/#findComment-5258882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher956 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Also depends on who is doing the accusing... if its an Inquisitors then its normally (old old fluff here) backed up by a priory of Sisters and a surrender for full examination or be deemed excumincated and hunted down. If its in house by another SM then it'll be a quite investigation then depending on level of guilt (because you are never innocent if your are close enough to have been charged) depends on the punishment. ranging from penitance up to execution Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353945-executed-for-heresy-question/#findComment-5259184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Also depends on the situation. If it's in the field then a prompt execution isn't that rare. At least an attempted one as Marines rarely go down without a fight lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353945-executed-for-heresy-question/#findComment-5259186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinstryfe Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 There's a whole lot of varieties of heresy as well to consider. Marine is glowing green and shooting lightning while chanting words that hurt other people's ears? That's a killing. Accused of not properly anointing the holy Bolter with the sacred oils correctly? That's probably an act of penance and forced retraining in the forge. Remember, everyone is guilty of heresy of some form. It's just a matter of how deep it goes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353945-executed-for-heresy-question/#findComment-5259211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarabando Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 depends on the level of heresy in the Ultramarine novels a captain gets kicked out of the chapter and sent packing as a free agent for going against the codex...(and killing a nornqueen in H2H) And when the IWs find out about him being kicked out he laughs asking if he turned the wrong way on the parade grounds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353945-executed-for-heresy-question/#findComment-5260781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 depends on the level of heresy in the Ultramarine novels a captain gets kicked out of the chapter and sent packing as a free agent for going against the codex...(and killing a nornqueen in H2H) And when the IWs find out about him being kicked out he laughs asking if he turned the wrong way on the parade grounds. Terrible, terrible novels. Marneus Calgar himself went against the codex long before the return of Guilliman during the Tyrannid attack on Utramar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353945-executed-for-heresy-question/#findComment-5260898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 It wasn't just that, Ventris abandoned his company to lead the Deathwatch killteam, after the team's captain died, taking on of his senior sergeants as well and leaving the other in charge of the company. THATS why he was reported to chapter command, because he abandoned his company not because he didn't follow the codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353945-executed-for-heresy-question/#findComment-5261012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exilyth Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Most chapters have some form of loyalty test as part of their initiation training/rituals, e.g. astartes of the space wolf chapter have to face a trial made of hallucinations wherein they are tempted with different lures of chaos (according to the novel "Space Wolf", if I remember the source correctly). Thoose who fail are removed from the chapter on the spot - whether that means execution, demotion to serfdom or being turned into a servitor. As has been said above, chaplains are monitoring the mental purity of battle brothers and provide counsel to thoose in need. (Agonizing over things like whether saving a battle brother or a bunch of civillians was the right decision, or questioning their place in the Emperors great plan seem to be quite common issues for space marines in the fluff.) Punishment and corrections tend to vary from chapter to chapter and tend to be highly ritualized, e.g. imperial fists use a device known as the pain glove (see Ian Watsons "Inquisitor" triology, or the lexicanum entry: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Pain_Glove). Since no one has time for that on a battlefield, bolt rounds to the head (or hearts) seem to be the preferred method while in battle. Unless the offender is taken into custody, then they're dealt with when the chapter has time for following the proper protocol. If a space marine can not be taken into custody, e.g. because it's "just" an inquisitor opposing them, the astartes tends to get taken down in a fight - or they get away with whatever they were doing and there's one less inquisitor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353945-executed-for-heresy-question/#findComment-5261168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapter master 454 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I always thought if an inquisitor tried to call a marine a heretic there was very often a big blow-out over it as often marines get called heretics by inquisitors because marines largely don't believe in the "god-emperor" but instead stand for the "Emperor of Mankind" and that while he was extremely exceptional he was just a man all the same. Thus those inquisitors get a bit uppity about it. Not to mention Inquisitors may have some serious politic power but for one of them to call out a marine is basically the greatest insult they can throw because I don't think any chapter would willingly submit their marines to the inquisition and the inquisition can go kiss a Carnifexs crusher claws because they are trying to fight the Adeptus Astartes, the Emperor's finest and any ensuing fight would result in many dying. Most chapters from what I know don't have as much religious dogma surrounding them and thus heresy needs to be far more of the clear and cut stuff (you know, chanting funny stuff or growing an extra arm or some sort other problem that is clear warp taint) with often inquisition shouting heresy to just ensure they get more power. Sensible Inquisitors I would wager would instead of challenging marines in the open would take it up with their superiors instead, requesting they investigate into the matter as a "sign of good faith". Otherwise...you really want to waste the resources it would take to fight 1000 of the emperor's finest over a "hunch" of an inquisitor. Remember, very likely that the marine given to such an inquisitor will not have his gene-seed returned and that is another reason for marines not liking the inquisiton. However internally...likely depends. However I would think any signs of some chaos non-sense going on would get 20cc of bolt to the dome, chest and likely 50cc of promethium applied immediately. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353945-executed-for-heresy-question/#findComment-5262031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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