lash144 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Hey folks, so I'm looking for the best hammer unit I can add to my BA tourney list and I'm really torn between 10 SG with fists and bolters or 10 Vanguard Vets (5 hammer shield, 5 Chainsword shield) The rest of my army is a big blob of Intercessors and Aggressors moving up the board and killing all the chaff supported by an SG Ancient with the Relic banner and a Captain or maybe even dante himself, both buffers then could fly away to support the hammer unit turn 2 or 3. So yeah, which unit is better in your opinion in a tournament setting? Pros SG: - 2W - 2+SV - Shooting Pro Vanguard Vets: - 3++! - Thunder Hammers (flat 3 dmg vs D3) - 5 sacrificial dudes - 50 pts cheaper Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354193-which-hammer-to-use-post-ca/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zon Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 I tend to go vanguard because I can usually fit in more bodies than with sang guard, but that doesn't seem to be an issue for you. Even so I prefer the guaranteed damage on the hammers, and you can use the spare points to put some axes and swords on the shields to add even more killing power. Or if you can find 35 points elsewhere you'll have the points for an assassin for 1CP. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354193-which-hammer-to-use-post-ca/#findComment-5265454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Considering all the D2 weapons with more than AP-1 around I'd definitely go with VV. Riptides for example just shred SG with their AP-2 D2. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354193-which-hammer-to-use-post-ca/#findComment-5265457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingerninja Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Hey I am kinda in the same situation as you. I always run a DC unit and then I want a hard hitting unit. Cant get both VV and SG in the same list then unless i want to get rid of something else. I tend to use the VV more. But it kinda depends on the task. I use my VV to charge and kill one target and then expect them to get blasted the next turn. The SG unit i tend to use a bit more cautiously. I think its because i value them more for some reason. My most common load out is as follows: 8 SG, 3 x PF, 3 x Axe, 2 x Swords, bolters on everyone. (Hard to find cool Power Fists in other boxes) 9 VV, 5 x TH/SS, 1 x Relic Blade/SS, 3 x Power Axe/SS. Due to unwieldy i always run a JP Chaplain with the VV and preferably get him to support the SG as well. I am also always trying to have a buff Libby supporting with the unleash rage. If i had to choose i would prefer the Chaplain for the re-rolls. I hope it helps you out! Regards Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354193-which-hammer-to-use-post-ca/#findComment-5265525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Vanguard Vets have access to storm shields and cost less points. I really love SG but they can be very hit and miss. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354193-which-hammer-to-use-post-ca/#findComment-5265609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 As our glorious leader Morticon recommends, VV with SS are just awesome. Always having a 3+ save for 2pts is a real game changer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354193-which-hammer-to-use-post-ca/#findComment-5265774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lash144 Posted February 28, 2019 Author Share Posted February 28, 2019 Yeah thats really the main argument for them. (and being able to take TH´s ofc :p) My fear is their durability against small arms fire (even with the fnp banner combined) and against smite spam, since those SG have 2x number of wounds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354193-which-hammer-to-use-post-ca/#findComment-5265814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majkhel Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 The thing is, both units are susceptible to different threats. So which one to take might depend on the opposition you expect to face. Also, add HoA rule as a SG pro if they are close to the warlord. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354193-which-hammer-to-use-post-ca/#findComment-5265837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lash144 Posted February 28, 2019 Author Share Posted February 28, 2019 The thing is, both units are susceptible to different threats. So which one to take might depend on the opposition you expect to face. Also, add HoA rule as a SG pro if they are close to the warlord. It's definitely a pro, but I don't like that it only affects models within 6", so there will be some problems with deepstriking. That's why I'm considering Dante actually. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354193-which-hammer-to-use-post-ca/#findComment-5265938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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