Fighty primaris?

[Phiasco]

Hi everyone. I’m returning to the game after being out for a while. I apologize if this question has been asked before, but is there any sign or rumors of primaris marines that aren’t all primarily (hah) shooty? As in, close combat focused units? I’d feel a lot more inclined to plunge back in if there were. We are Blood Angels, after all.

[happyslugger]

Not yet, perhaps in the next campaign box V3..perhaps the BA turn up to save the Ultra marines lol.

I'm not buying anymore primaris stuff until I have a. finished painting what I have and b. they release something that fits in (more) with BA.

[Paladin777]

Reivers are close combat oriented, but their effectiveness is kind of debated. I don’t have any personal experience with them so I’ll leave that to others.

[Charlo]

Sadly nothing dedicatedly fighty yet (bar reivers & gravis captain) Wave two has just been revealed and it's more shooty and tricky than close combat.

[Majkhel]

Although the Vanguard Lieutenant looks to be having a first CC-dedicated rule in a Primaris model range. Still we need to wait for official confirmation to be sure.

 

Edit; forgot about Inceptors' mortal wounds during charge rule. So that would be the second rule then...

[Gederas]

Although the Vanguard Lieutenant looks to be having a first CC-dedicated rule in a Primaris model range. Still we need to wait for official confirmation to be sure.

 

Edit; forgot about Inceptors' mortal wounds during charge rule. So that would be the second rule then...

And yet he kind of sucks as a CC-unit. Sure, he's got 4 attacks and the "unmodified 6s count as 2 hits" ability, but they're still Strength 4 AP 0 attacks.

 

So basically, he's a Reiver Sergeant with the Emperor's Spears Chapter Tactic as an inbuilt ability and a special gun.

[Dont-Be-Haten]

His knife gets him the Emperor's Spears chapter tactic. Which is kind of sad for me.

[appiah4]

It's almost like GW is making sure to de-emphesize close combat aspects of Space Marines until they can make that a Primaris Space Marine faction of its own (a-la Vanguard) as a new release, with its own rules and models..

 

(Mark my words)

[Panzer]

Reivers are meh if they have to fight anything that's not Gaunts or similar (aka T4 and no saves).

Intercessor Sergeants with Power swords are kinda decent but it's only the Sergeant so you shouldn't push the unit into melee all the time.

The Gravis Captain is great though. Just last saturday I HIed a Flyrant and beat the ever living crap out of it with his fist after it failed to take him out first (my opponent did a multi-charge so he could attack the captain as well). :D

Lieutenants are meh unfortunately. They cost too many points for what they do. They are barely better than Intercessor Sergeants.

Primaris Chaplains are decent in melee. Pretty much on a Captain level (since Primaris Captains don't have access to Thunderhammers and Storm shields).

 

I too am waiting for a proper melee release for Primaris like the rest here. I'll try out the new Infiltrator units once we get the full rules just to see if I like deploying my not-Intercessors this closely and charge them into the opponent but I'm kinda sure that I won't be buying into them as they don't really fit my armys theme. I hope that we eventually get a melee Troop choice as well but I won't hold my breath.

 

Although the Vanguard Lieutenant looks to be having a first CC-dedicated rule in a Primaris model range. Still we need to wait for official confirmation to be sure.

Edit; forgot about Inceptors' mortal wounds during charge rule. So that would be the second rule then...

And yet he kind of sucks as a CC-unit. Sure, he's got 4 attacks and the "unmodified 6s count as 2 hits" ability, but they're still Strength 4 AP 0 attacks.

 

So basically, he's a Reiver Sergeant with the Emperor's Spears Chapter Tactic as an inbuilt ability and a special gun.

 

 

Yeah if he'd have a Combat Blade instead, which doesn't cost any points anyway, he'd be better even.

[Blindhamster]

If rievers got knife fighter, it would synergise pretty well for us. They'd be all about weight of saves they're likely to push through.

[Majkhel]

Still not sure if knife-figher with a CC weapon is better than a guaranteed +1A they currently have. It would be best if they got the rule in addition to their current weapon loadout.

[Blindhamster]

I meant in addition to their current weapons, without it's worse IMO

[Panzer]

Definitely in addition. Not sure if it would make much of a difference though. A unit of 5 Reiver with Combat blades would get only about 2-3 additional hits on average which are still S4 AP0.

[Blindhamster]

Math wise, BA rievers do alright against PA though anyway, every hit helps.

 

5 guys have 16 attacks, 11 hits, 7 or 8 wounds, 2 or 3 dead marines.

 

Which isn't bad for a relatively cheap unit that's deemed a non threat. They aren't pointed as an elite CC unit afterall. Their leadership rebuff potentially means chaos marines even lose a further marine.

 

They aren't amazing but they are not total garbage. They just need to avoid close combat enemies themselves.

[Panzer]

Yeah as BA they are okay I guess. Only for the first round though unless the enemy charges something else into the ongoing melee.

[BrotherAetherick]

Even though they don't have the primaris keyword or are actually primaris in the fluff. Sanguinary guard pretty much have the primaris statline upgrade over normal marines. +1 attack, +1 wound. They even get a 2+ armour save.

 

Don't hold your breath for getting a primaris unit that can fight better than sang guard for the points.

[Silas7]

It's almost like GW is making sure to de-emphesize close combat aspects of Space Marines until they can make that a Primaris Space Marine faction of its own (a-la Vanguard) as a new release, with its own rules and models..

 

(Mark my words)

 

If true, that wave of releases are going to explode in popularity that'd make shadowspear look like a drop in the bucket.

 

 

Even though they don't have the primaris keyword or are actually primaris in the fluff. Sanguinary guard pretty much have the primaris statline upgrade over normal marines. +1 attack, +1 wound. They even get a 2+ armour save.

 

Don't hold your breath for getting a primaris unit that can fight better than sang guard for the points.

 

I doubt GW rules team are being that considerate when designing primaris units.

[Charlo]

They even get Death Masks for Ld debuffs.

 

Kinda wanna make some super reavers as for SG rules.

[Tokugawa]

3 S4 ap-0 attacks. "As strong as a catachan guardsman". Not enough for building tactics around that.

[Morticon]

.perhaps the BA turn up to save the Ultra marines lol.

 

 

 

Entirely off topic, but Im low-key hoping for the same thing.  Will make for an exceptional story. 

[Charlo]

 

.perhaps the BA turn up to save the Ultra marines lol.

 

 

Entirely off topic, but Im low-key hoping for the same thing.  Will make for an exceptional story. 

 

Sadly I think it's just going to end in a status-quo changing stalemate. AFAIK they confirmed Vigilus is only two books, and this one is all Chaos...

[Xenith]

It's almost like GW is making sure to de-emphesize close combat aspects of Space Marines until they can make that a Primaris Space Marine faction of its own (a-la Vanguard) as a new release, with its own rules and models..

 

(Mark my words)

 

It's basically this.

 

After the Chapterhouse fiasco, GW will never make rules without models again.

 

We'll get CC primaris when the models are ready, and that is the limiting factor - the workload of the design team, as well as the production facilities. 

 

Releasing models in waves also allows for consolidated rules compilations, and a single codex update per year, rather than say, releasing an assault squad in Jan, veteran assault in March - the rules would be spread out over multiple books and boxes. 

[Closet Skeleton]

Aggressors and Reivers should have been CC Primaris, they just got the rules wrong. How more could they do to make a good CC unit than two flamers and two power fists, it makes no sense.