serrath Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 i have a little base for a real Black Templars army. I'll play only with primaris, but they not realy CCW units. How can i continue? (I'll buy shadowspear box) I have these: characters 15 intercessor 10 reiver 3 inceptor 1 repulsor tank http://kepkezelo.com/images/nb6ih54x4zfpcjygj2i6.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 You forgot to mention your hellblasters Pure primaris is a bit limited for options still. With Shadowspear on the way, you're looking to be set for troops, though. If you're looking to add something that you don't have already otherwise though, there's pretty much only a redemptor dreadnought or maybe a unit of aggressors. I'd do a dreadnought next since .. well i just like big stompy robots. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5269143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolvar Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 I don't like primarines, but still, I'll second Reinhard's suggestion: one, maybe a pair of redemptor dreadnoughts could do wonders there. If I may ask: why only primaris? Truly, none of them (at least, with the current models, counting the shadowspear box) are made for us, both fluffwise and rulewise (none truly benefits from our CT) and... WHERE IS YOUR EMPEROR'S CHAMPION BROTHER? Man, every time I think about Guillimarines I get upset. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5269187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Personally I think that without any dedicated close combat units a full Primaris army would work like a tide army in theory and at least a bit in practice, so you would have a lot of 10 man squads of Intercessors and/or Infiltrators (for getting up close and personal fast) and just walk them up the board, their shooting is amazing so you dont have to run them and the Indomitus Crusaders will make them into a fairly efficient CC troop unit (plus some decent strats). After that you just have to add some anti-tank, I'v heard good things of people running two Repulsors for the lascannons and Hellblasters are obviously good too, the new Suppressors look pretty good for some form of Anti-tank but if you are an assault army you would want them to shoot at infantry so your mileage may vary. So essentially drown them in bodies, so much power armor they'll shake the ground. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5269204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciler Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 You need some aggressors. They have huge medium range firepower, and proper power fists for close combat unlike centurions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5269217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
serrath Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 I don't like primarines, but still, I'll second Reinhard's suggestion: one, maybe a pair of redemptor dreadnoughts could do wonders there. If I may ask: why only primaris? Truly, none of them (at least, with the current models, counting the shadowspear box) are made for us, both fluffwise and rulewise (none truly benefits from our CT) and... WHERE IS YOUR EMPEROR'S CHAMPION BROTHER? Man, every time I think about Guillimarines I get upset. i would like to make my emperors champion with the new shadowspear psiker. i think it would be good EC, or i give him a storm shield. i'll see :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5269294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pounder Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Loving the group shot, very nice. I've gone with all Primaris too, hopefully the next codex will be kind. Haven't played any games yet (still mustering) but the Redemptor Dread sounds a good suggestion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5269329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolvar Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 I don't like primarines, but still, I'll second Reinhard's suggestion: one, maybe a pair of redemptor dreadnoughts could do wonders there. If I may ask: why only primaris? Truly, none of them (at least, with the current models, counting the shadowspear box) are made for us, both fluffwise and rulewise (none truly benefits from our CT) and... WHERE IS YOUR EMPEROR'S CHAMPION BROTHER? Man, every time I think about Guillimarines I get upset. i would like to make my emperors champion with the new shadowspear psiker. i think it would be good EC, or i give him a storm shield. i'll see EC made with the filthy body of a witch? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5269592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mattias Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 That's a great looking army! When I look at any space marine army missing a dreadnaught, I feel it is incomplete ;) As mentioned by many others, I think it would fill a useful gap in your tactical options. Given your limited range of heavy armour, you may want to consider doubling-down on the Redemptor or the Repulsor. You want to make sure any opponent has to think twice during target selection. Best method from a gaming point of view is probably to try out both in a few matches and get a feel for which you like most. I'm no expert on Primaris specifically, so I can't comment much on your other infantry options. On a purely selfishly aesthetic choice, I'd also love to see what you do with a dread ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5270654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
serrath Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 thanks the answers and helps! the new starter box and a redemptor dread coming! (and i think i make a caplain from the chaos psiker, because it is awesome! ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5272453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Converting witch models into proper characters is a time honored tradition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5272641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Quite a bit of good insight from redmapa here. Personally I think that without any dedicated close combat units a full Primaris army would work like a tide army in theory and at least a bit in practice, so you would have a lot of 10 man squads of Intercessors and/or Infiltrators (for getting up close and personal fast) and just walk them up the board, Intercessors are a very solid troop choice. Reivers can be used to drop in and tie up units that you don't want shooting at you. their shooting is amazing so you dont have to run them and the Indomitus Crusaders will make them into a fairly efficient CC troop unit (plus some decent strats). After that you just have to add some anti-tank, Repulsors are a very good choice for AT. The key to them is to take the same approach that all us "Venerables" did when fielding Land Raiders, which is: 1. Take one <Repulsor/Land Raider> and every anti-tank gun on the board will shoot at it until it dies, which usually doensn't take that long. 2. Take two <Repulsor/Land Raider> and now the AT fire is diluted because they have to address more than one unit. 3. Take three <Repulsor/Land Raider> and now the AT fire has a real problem. Most people won't expect three and will generally struggle with which one to shoot at or will kill one while you cram the other two down their throats. So, depending on points/PL, 2-3 would be recommended. There's a guy on the BA forum (neonmole) who takes 3 Repulsors, 2 Redemptors, 3 x 5 man Intercessors, and some HQs and gives people a really hard time in tournaments. You might consider looking at his thread. I understand the additional distraction the Redemptors bring, but might consider trying cheaper dreads that are half/half shooty/CC just to see if that allows you to add other things into the mix (e.g. Storm Talons). I would say that as excellent as your crusade looks, you will make a big impression either way. I'v heard good things of people running two Repulsors for the lascannons and Hellblasters are obviously good too, the new Suppressors look pretty good for some form of Anti-tank but if you are an assault army you would want them to shoot at infantry so your mileage may vary. Strongly agree with this. So essentially drown them in bodies, so much power armor they'll shake the ground. This insight is something that gets lost rather frequently when list building. A lot of power armor boots on the ground can be very problematical for lists. Intercessors don't really look like a threat until you realize you have to kill a boatload of them to grab back objectives. Near term, it seems Primaris forces are developing into a mid-field control/objective grab force that defies you to get them off the objectives. They seem to have a lot of tools that help them accomplish those goals, though we're still seeing that picture unfold. Cheers, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5273816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 EC made with the filthy body of a witch? You probably don't want to know what I did for a conversion then.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5274071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONDIG Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Id use 10 Intercessors and the 10 reivers as the best looking CRUSADER squad Evah! Srsly tho fantastic looking army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5274081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolvar Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 You probably don't want to know what I did for a conversion then.... Let's give a try, tell us. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5274381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Well.... here goes..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5274692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolvar Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Is that... a filthy witch with the body of an EC? The thing in his left hand is witch fire? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5275291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Is that... a filthy witch with the body of an EC? The thing in his left hand is witch fire? It is! I wasn't sure if you guys knew what librarians looked like or not. (Librarian translates to witch) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5275382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Posting heresy aint gonna win you many friends here Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5275516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolvar Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Okay I'm gonna need Salamander-levels of promethium in order to fix that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5275581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 You should know, impersonation is the highest form of respect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5276105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crovan Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 You should know, impersonation is the highest form of respect. You say that.... http://chestofcolors.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Ultramarine_Sigismund_2-600x523.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5277096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolvar Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 I got several feelings, and none is good Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5277108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Why is he turquoise? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5277245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 This thread went to the gutter pretty fast. Also to be truly a BT primaris list it needs at least a Primaris EC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354308-ynoba-crusade-primaris-crusaders/#findComment-5277502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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