Gongsun Zan Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Anyone else picked this up yet? Got my collector's edition yesterday evening, and polished it off in a night. I've been craving for more World Eaters since Betrayer, and this really hit the nail on the head (bad pun intended). I think this is the Heresy at its best - we all know what's going to happen, but the real fun is getting inside the Legion's head as they decide whether or not to jump off a figurative cliff for their father. There's a surprising amount of reflection in their choice to take the Butcher's Nails - it's not just "because Angron says so" (although there's a fair amount of that as well). I'd say Ian St Martin accomplished exactly what he set out to do with this book. Easily a top 10 contender in the HH for me. Minor spoilers regarding Khârn and the collector's edition: Khârn covering three pages of the book in blood was gimmicky, but I absolutely loved it. I wonder if it's going to carry over to the regular prints. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliesin Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Was going to buy a copy but it sold out already. Damn. In a week, that is very unusual for the Primarchs books. Some of them that were released a long time ago already are still available. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5270879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Well then, I'll give this one a try. I'm usually not into the nail stuff as I found it personally to be bonkers. BUT Betrayer was excellent and if we got another decent treatment of the World Eaters, or even more so of the War Hounds ('cause I find them pretty awesome), I'm sold. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5271004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 I had to look up the gimmick that Gongsun referred to in his spoiler, and damn me, I wonder if or how they'll handle this in the regular print, too. This is the only source I could dig up on the quick Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5271042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 THAT is awesome and a nice little touch by BL. I really hope that this will be part of the regular print. Tbh I don't see how they should do it otherwise. Just leave the space empty? Just a "blackout" and continue with the next paragraph? Would be sad if they'd do something like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5271102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Ha, nice. It's a gimmick for sure but it's fun, I like that sort of playfulness. Haven't seen much of it since Liber Chaotica. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5271169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allart01 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 This was pretty good! No hope, no redemption, just a tragedy that feeds and grows on itself. There are quite a few nice snippets of lore for the Butcher's Nails and even for the Warhounds - Mago is a pretty cool dude. I had some minor issues -mainly about the timing of some events- but this is the perfect summary for the tragic story of the XIIth Legion, though the experience is obviously improved by reading Betrayer, After De'shea and the most recent short story from St.Martin. Other than that, I saw a lot of inspiration from the tv series Spartacus Blood and Sand, the most obvious being an old menthor gladiator called Oenomaus. This didn't tamper my enjoyment in any way at all. It was perhaps a little too obvious at times, but it just made me smile. I tend to criticize more than I praise in my (few and short) reviews, but this felt like a really well planned and thought out book. The author took his time to think deeply about the themes of the World Eaters's fall in order to reall drive them home. I am very happy to have purchased the Limited Edition and I think that this book really captures what all the Primarchs series book should try to be. Definitely a must read for all World Eaters fans and one of the (if not THE) best book(s) in its series. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5271578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Is there much of a spotlight on the Legio Audax? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5271602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allart01 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Sorry, there is no mention of Legio Audax. The focus is all on the XIIth Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5271617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedFurioso Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Any information about Red Centurion Kaeptra? I want to know more about the guy! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5271619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcye Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Was going to buy a copy but it sold out already. Damn. In a week, that is very unusual for the Primarchs books. Some of them that were released a long time ago already are still available. WHAT. God damn it, I got complacent. One hasn't sold out quickly since Magnus, I thought I could wait a week or two. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5271762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliesin Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Yeah, didn't expect that. This book has been wildly popular, it's selling on ebay for some crazy prices as well I saw. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5271900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayer41 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I even woke up super early to grab mine. Thank god i did. SEEEEE GW everyone loves WE angron SO GIVE US THE MODELSSS haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5271911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfburk Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 ugh this does not bodes well to my chances of getting a solar war LE, heh Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5271934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 ugh this does not bodes well to my chances of getting a solar war LE, heh Same here. And we still don't have any update about its release, either. If I'm correct, German release of Anfron won't take that long. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5272016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcye Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Yeah, didn't expect that. This book has been wildly popular, it's selling on ebay for some crazy prices as well I saw. I grabbed the cheapest one I could find on ebay. I'm not happy about it but I've bought all of them so far and it would've bothered me a lot more to be missing one than to stump up the extortionate price for it. I can't imagine the prices on it would be going down any time soon either. Will be there the moment Konrad goes live though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5272145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliesin Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Definitely looks like this book became prey to ebay scalpers. Lots of copies on sale in the last few days for extortionate prices, which suggests that some people have been buying in bulk with the sole aim of putting them up for sale on ebay afterwards. I see sellers who have 3-5 copies for sale. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5272404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knockagh Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Definitely looks like this book became prey to ebay scalpers. Lots of copies on sale in the last few days for extortionate prices, which suggests that some people have been buying in bulk with the sole aim of putting them up for sale on ebay afterwards. I see sellers who have 3-5 copies for sale. This really peeves me. It would be really easy for BL to put a two book limit on limited editions. I’ve all these so far and would be fuming if I missed one due to eBay scalpers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5272465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knockagh Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Read this and loved it. Superb storytelling here from an author I haven’t enjoyed before. The insights into Angrons life pre legion is masterfully done. I can’t work out why the Emperor doesn’t sanction the legion immediately after these events. If these guys get away with becoming monsters I have no idea what the unmentionable legions must have done. Anyway, well done Ian, he kept the focus on the key events in Angrons life and how that made the legion what it becomes. This is what a Primarch book should look like. My favourite of the series remains Lorgar but this easily ties for second place with Perturabo. Highly recommend folks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5295994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
godking Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Just finished the ebook Best primarch story i have read one minor point is that i would have expected the emperor to have stepped in long before things reached the level that it did. The degradation of the Legion was a process of years ! Both the Legion and Angron would have been better of had the Emperor chosen to let Angron die. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5325378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 I'm pumped for the chance to listen to the audiobook...especially now that's out and I just cranked through The Solar War. For those who have read, without giving away spoilers (if you can), does it touch on why Emps teleported Angron away instead of...you know...maybe going down there and helping him win? Hindsight is 20/20, even for the Emperor, but that just seems like the most obvious mistake he's ever made. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5325388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sothalor Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 I think it's something to do with local (for a galactic-scale endeavor) politics at that point: the rulers of Nuceria were willing to submit to the Imperial just as soon as the matter of a little slave rebellion was mopped up. Emperor probably figured not overtly interfering was the most expedient way to purchase their loyalty, while secretly teleporting Angron away also let him get his hands on a Primary. He may not have understood at that point just how badly the Nails were screwing Angron up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5325457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
godking Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 I think it's something to do with local (for a galactic-scale endeavor) politics at that point: the rulers of Nuceria were willing to submit to the Imperial just as soon as the matter of a little slave rebellion was mopped up. Emperor probably figured not overtly interfering was the most expedient way to purchase their loyalty, while secretly teleporting Angron away also let him get his hands on a Primary. He may not have understood at that point just how badly the Nails were screwing Angron up. Still a ridiculous oversight for a creature millenia old. Did the Emperor ever understand human nature at all ? Angron is the only traitor primarch with a legitimate reason to rebel and one of the Emperors worst mistakes. Off all the options open to him the Emperor chose the options which guaranteed that Angron would one day rebel against him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5325513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanctimonius Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 I think it's something to do with local (for a galactic-scale endeavor) politics at that point: the rulers of Nuceria were willing to submit to the Imperial just as soon as the matter of a little slave rebellion was mopped up. Emperor probably figured not overtly interfering was the most expedient way to purchase their loyalty, while secretly teleporting Angron away also let him get his hands on a Primary. He may not have understood at that point just how badly the Nails were screwing Angron up. Still a ridiculous oversight for a creature millenia old. Did the Emperor ever understand human nature at all ? Angron is the only traitor primarch with a legitimate reason to rebel and one of the Emperors worst mistakes. Off all the options open to him the Emperor chose the options which guaranteed that Angron would one day rebel against him. Magnus and Curze would like to have a word with you. Hell, Mortarion and Perturabo would like a chat as well. But yeah, I completely understand why Angron rebelled. He rebelled against everything and everyone because all they brought him was pain and misery. At least he's somewhat happy/permanent rage beast now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5325522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
godking Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 I think it's something to do with local (for a galactic-scale endeavor) politics at that point: the rulers of Nuceria were willing to submit to the Imperial just as soon as the matter of a little slave rebellion was mopped up. Emperor probably figured not overtly interfering was the most expedient way to purchase their loyalty, while secretly teleporting Angron away also let him get his hands on a Primary. He may not have understood at that point just how badly the Nails were screwing Angron up. Still a ridiculous oversight for a creature millenia old. Did the Emperor ever understand human nature at all ? Angron is the only traitor primarch with a legitimate reason to rebel and one of the Emperors worst mistakes. Off all the options open to him the Emperor chose the options which guaranteed that Angron would one day rebel against him. Magnus and Curze would like to have a word with you. Hell, Mortarion and Perturabo would like a chat as well. But yeah, I completely understand why Angron rebelled. He rebelled against everything and everyone because all they brought him was pain and misery. At least he's somewhat happy/permanent rage beast now. Magnus : prideful believed he had all the answers was told not to do something and did it anyway dooming humanity in the process Curze : A coward and nihilist at heart in that he foresaw what was going to happen but made no real effort to change it and took the lazy way out in regards to Nostromo something which Sevatar rightly rebukes him also went damn near catatonic with fearwhen Sanguinus almost changed his fate . Perturabo : Petulant manchild who actively worked to distance himself from the other Primarchs then wonders why nobody liked him Mortarion : pig stupid and gigantic hypocrite (even after 10000 years as a demon prince as evidenced in Plague war) Each of them could have made different choices but they did'nt Angron had no other choices. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354344-the-primarchs-angron/#findComment-5325546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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