Orkinstein Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/17/pre-order-preview-abaddon-chaos-space-marines-and-more/ "Like Vigilus Defiant, the book rewards you for taking narrative-themed forces with a number of Specialist Detachments, like the terror-bringing Host Raptorial or the mysterious Fallen Angels." Hopefully, we get new models? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsWithLegs Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 It would be really cool if this was the first step towards having a larger faction instead of just an elite and an HQ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5278209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bevulf Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Definietely no new models. If GW is to release new fallen units then it will be (probably) along DA releases. I don't know when it will be but I count on large fallen/loyalist confilct with Luther/awakening Lion releases in the distant future. Wouldn't count on ANY DA specific release in the coming months unfortunately :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5278230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbaeza94 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Might need to make some renegades... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5278236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 The new chaos bits stuck on our robed vets will look great. +++For Hunting Of Course+++ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5278386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamingDeth Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Nice save Stobz. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5278408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinianTheGreat Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Fallen are completely unplayable as is IMO. No transports for 6in move = not competitive, or even much fun. If they could all take heavy weapons then at least re-rolling 1s would be ok, but not worth it for 1 heavy weapon.Here are my "house rule" fixes:https://www.game-fortress.org/explore/custom-rules/Fallen-Simple-Fix-7And here is my first stab at some fun ideas for a full "codex":https://www.game-fortress.org/explore/custom-rules/Fallen-Full-Codex-2You can use this site to create & vote on custom rules for games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5279175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Dicko Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Greetings loyalist scum! I’m hyped for new fallen rules! I’ve got cypher and a box of DA vets on sprues still, actually glad I waited this long because they will be great fun to kitbash with the new chaos marines. I just need to find some local DA players to get some narrative games going! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5280214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Since today’s Faction Focus goes into more details regarding the Fallen: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/20/20th-mar-vigilus-ablaze-previews-renegade-chapters-and-fallengw-homepage-post-3/ The Fallen Vigilus Ablaze includes loads of content for fans of the Fallen, too! As well as taking a pivotal role in the plot of the story on Vigilus, they can also be fielded with the Fallen Angels Specialist Detachment. This Specialist Detachment lets you give Chaos Sorcerers and Rhinos the Fallen keyword, adding yet more flexibility to these mysterious warriors. This Specialist Detachment is fantastic for messing with your foe’s Command Points, preventing them from generating new ones mid-game, representing Cypher’s disruptive effects on the battlefield… What’s more, Fallen in this Detachment are particularly hard to hit thanks to an invaluable Stratagem. Whether you’re using them as an army in their own right, or as allies to a wider Chaos force, the Fallen are as effective on the battlefield as they are inscrutable… Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5280467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkinstein Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 If Fallen Sorcerers can use dark heretics discipline, that will be nice to have Death Hex to cancel enemy unit's invulnerable save for Imperium. But Fallen don't have HERETIC ASTATES keyword, which means they can't receive any buff from sorcerers... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5280576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_149 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Does that limit the spells chaos sorcerer's cast? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5280645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkinstein Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 Does that limit the spells chaos sorcerer's cast? So far I don't see that. But I don't know until we get the book... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5280651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_149 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Good point! Never played as chaos so not sure how it all works but always fancied a fallen army. With the addition of rhinos etc may help pad the army out rather than just units of chosen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5280670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambit Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 If Fallen Sorcerers can use dark heretics discipline, that will be nice to have Death Hex to cancel enemy unit's invulnerable save for Imperium. But Fallen don't have HERETIC ASTATES keyword, which means they can't receive any buff from sorcerers... Yeah that keyword is a requirement on the 3 buffing powers, so if you were running only Fallen, then Infernal Gaze, Death Hex and Gift of Chaos are the only options (without further info from Vigilus Ablaze). Having Death Hex and Null Zone in the same army could be useful, particularly with 2 jump pack characters. More chances at cancelling that Castellan's 3++ Also, it means that including a Fallen detachment can now be as a Supreme Command Detachment instead of a Vanguard. 2 Jump Pack Sorcerer, then Cypher + 9 Fallen in a Rhino. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5280764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackTriton Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 In no circumstance will you be allowd death hex and null zone in the same army even though the fallen are Chaos and imperium, all units in a match play army need to share a faction keyword. Therefore you can never have a sorcerer and a Librarian in the same army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5280883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkinstein Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 In no circumstance will you be allowd death hex and null zone in the same army even though the fallen are Chaos and imperium, all units in a match play army need to share a faction keyword. Therefore you can never have a sorcerer and a Librarian in the same army. Yes. You are right! Unless GW also give them Imperium keyword. But unlikely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5280925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Just a quick reminder that Fallen, in this section, are discussed for fluff purposes only. Since they use Codex Chaos SM or equivalent any rules discussions will have to take place on the Chaos section of the board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5280956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxB Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Well...I better check my DA codex to see what all our Inner Circle rules actually do Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5280968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Dicko Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Well, the article also mentions them playing a big role in the new book. Curious to see what will be! I’ve been lurking around here for nuggets of info since the latest DA dex came out... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5281005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkinstein Posted March 23, 2019 Author Share Posted March 23, 2019 I heard that fallen sorcerer got imperium keyword. That'll be interesting. I hope people can use more fallen. So our special rules can be useful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5282966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkinstein Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 I have to say that it is very meh... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5285050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel of Solitude Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Hmmm. Take a Vanguard detachment with Cypher, Sorcerer, 3xFallen, optional 2 Rhinos. Each fallen can take a combi-plasma. With Cypher I'm re-rolling 1's to hit, and I can spend 1cp to re-roll wounds. Makes a super-charged combi-plasma that bit more potent (but makes the Fallen Angels ability pointless). Sorcerer gives me access to Dark Hereticus and Death Hex. I've got 12/24 super-charged Plasma shots that I can dish out with no invuln save to boot. Just a damn shame that they don't yet get access to beta bolter rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5285244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostrael Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 "... they are next to impossible to catch" yes that's true... How can you catch them if nobody plays Fallen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5285365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomanyprojects Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Not overwhelmingly brilliant, but I’ll happily include them because I like the fallen :) Cypher, Librarian/Sorcerer and a couple of fallen units to fill out a min vanguard detachment will do me nicely Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5285370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berzul Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 If they gain the Imperium Keyword, does that mean that we can use them alongside the Dark Angels themselves? Since they lose the heretic astartes and the <legion> keywords, they would just be Imperium models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354614-new-fallen-formation/#findComment-5285408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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