Zephaniah Adriyen Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Can specific factions (say, Space Wolves or Death Guard) who have unique models and model sets, as well as their own Codex, take <CHAPTER> or <LEGION> models respectively, or are they restricted to the models in their Codex? As an example, can Death Guard take Noise Marines (as an Elites option, obviously, because Death Guard aren't Emperor's Children) or Space Wolves take Captains, despite having Wolf Lords? Edit: Whoops, Furioso Dreadnoughts actually do not have the <CHAPTER> keyword. Thought they did. Apologies. Swapped out the example. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354619-factions-with-codices-in-respect-to-variable-keywords/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyriks Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 No. Death Guard can't take any option from the CSM codex unless it also appears in their own. They can take Forge World models with the Legion keyword, but that keyword must then become Death Guard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354619-factions-with-codices-in-respect-to-variable-keywords/#findComment-5278362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephaniah Adriyen Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 I wonder. Does that mean they can't take the new Daemonkin models either? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354619-factions-with-codices-in-respect-to-variable-keywords/#findComment-5278371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Well...kinda? You can take Noise Marines and Death Guard units together in the same detachment, however since you can't give Noise Marines the Death Guard keyword it would be a mixed Heretic Astartes detachment and thus gain none of the Legion benefits. ^^ However what you are actually seem to be asking is whether you can give Codex: Chaos Space Marines units with the <LEGION> faction keyword the DEATH GUARD faction keyword (and similar for other factions). The answer is no. A unit in a Codex has only access to the faction keywords in said Codex. Codex: Death Guard is completely separated from Codex: Chaos Space Marines for everything that goes beyond the CHAOS, HERETIC ASTARTES and the NURGLE faction keywords. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354619-factions-with-codices-in-respect-to-variable-keywords/#findComment-5278391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 I wonder. Does that mean they can't take the new Daemonkin models either? That's right. Unless they had access to the unit already in their Codex or get explicitly mentioned in the Shadowspear box to be able to use them, they can't. It's a Codex: Chaos Space Marine release, not a Codex: Death Guard release. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354619-factions-with-codices-in-respect-to-variable-keywords/#findComment-5278392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephaniah Adriyen Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 This would also mean Death Guard are stuck with the Daemon Prince of Nurgle rules (Disgustingly Resilient, no Warp Bolter). Lame. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354619-factions-with-codices-in-respect-to-variable-keywords/#findComment-5278412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 This would also mean Death Guard are stuck with the Daemon Prince of Nurgle rules (Disgustingly Resilient, no Warp Bolter). Lame. That's a different case. Here the Index ruling applies. They have access to either the Daemon Prince of Nurgle from their own Codex and the Daemon Prince from the Index (no DR, but Warp Bolter instead of Plague Spewer). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354619-factions-with-codices-in-respect-to-variable-keywords/#findComment-5278425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephaniah Adriyen Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 Wait, really? Also... Plague Spewer? As far as I can tell, the DG-specific Daemon Prince has no ranged attack by default, aside from psychic abilities. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354619-factions-with-codices-in-respect-to-variable-keywords/#findComment-5278734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Yeah, really. ^^ You gotta read the FAQs and Erratas, dude. Page 70 – Daemon Prince of Nurgle, Wargear OptionsChange the first bullet point to read:‘• This model may either take a plague spewer, or it mayreplace its hellforged sword with a daemonic axe or asecond set of malefic talons.’ ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354619-factions-with-codices-in-respect-to-variable-keywords/#findComment-5278870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephaniah Adriyen Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 Oooooh. I would rather the plague spewer, I think. Alright, then! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354619-factions-with-codices-in-respect-to-variable-keywords/#findComment-5279071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackTriton Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Do note that if you take the spewer, you must have the sword. You cannont have double talon & spewer neither axe and spewer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354619-factions-with-codices-in-respect-to-variable-keywords/#findComment-5279570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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