ambit Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 White Scars Whenever a WHITE SCARS unit with this tactic Advances it moves an extra 2" in addition to the distance rolled (BIKER units with the Turbo-boost ability therefore move an additional 8" when Advancing). In addition, WHITE SCARS units with this tactic can still charge in a turn in which they Fell Back. Lias Issodon You can add +1" to all moves, including Advance, Charge and Fall back moves made by friendly RAPTORS INFANTRY units within 6" of Lias Issodon during the Movement phase and Charge phase. Vanguard Warlord Master of the Vanguard: Add 1" to the Movement characteristic of friendly CHAPTER units whilst they are within 6" of your Warlord. In addition, add 1 to advance and charge rolls for friendly CHAPTER units whilst they are within 6" of your warlord. Roboute Guilliman Master of Battle: You can add 1 to Advance and charge rolls for friendly IMPERIUM units within 12" of Roboute Guilliman, and re-roll hit rolls of 1 and failed Morale tests for these units. So assuming you can use White Scars Chapter Tactics... if I add it up, nearby infantry gets + 5 Advance (and +1 to the Move portion) - so +6 in total, +2 Regular Move, +3 Charge. The Move portion of an advance is only +1 from the Vanguard trait, as I'm including Lias' +1 in the Advance bonus. Even if I didn't have Girlyman, that's still a considerable movement bonus to a bunch of Aggressors or Terminators. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354703-can-lias-use-white-scars-chapter-tactics-as-raptors/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Raptors are Raptors, White Scars are White Scars. The answer is no. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354703-can-lias-use-white-scars-chapter-tactics-as-raptors/#findComment-5281064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambit Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 Raptors are Raptors, White Scars are White Scars. The answer is no. ^^ So your saying the only option is Raven Guard Chapter Tactics? I wasn't talking about using the <CHAPTER> keyword for White Scars, just the Chapter Tactic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354703-can-lias-use-white-scars-chapter-tactics-as-raptors/#findComment-5281092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Raptors are Raptors, White Scars are White Scars. The answer is no. ^^ So your saying the only option is Raven Guard Chapter Tactics? I wasn't talking about using the <CHAPTER> keyword for White Scars, just the Chapter Tactic. You can't use a different Chapters Chapter Tactic without using its keyword. So yeah Raven Guard it is since Raptors are a Raven Guard successor. Keep in mind that it also limits your relic options. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354703-can-lias-use-white-scars-chapter-tactics-as-raptors/#findComment-5281102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambit Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 Yeah I wasn't 100% on whether known successor chapters absolutely have to use the founding chapters tactic. Guess that answers it :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354703-can-lias-use-white-scars-chapter-tactics-as-raptors/#findComment-5281111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Closet Skeleton Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 SfPanzer is wrong here. You can replace <chapter> with anything you want as a keyword. If you don't have a chapter tactic that goes with your keyword you can use any chapter tactic. Lias Isadon's rules don't say what chapter tactic he has, neither do the Red Scorpions characters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354703-can-lias-use-white-scars-chapter-tactics-as-raptors/#findComment-5281220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 SfPanzer is wrong here. You can replace <chapter> with anything you want as a keyword. If you don't have a chapter tactic that goes with your keyword you can use any chapter tactic. Lias Isadon's rules don't say what chapter tactic he has, neither do the Red Scorpions characters. Since I don't have the rules for Lias Isadon here I just went with what OP wrote. If he writes "friendly RAPTORS INFANTRY unit" for Lias Isadon I assume that's how it's written on his datasheet lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354703-can-lias-use-white-scars-chapter-tactics-as-raptors/#findComment-5281222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Would seem odd to have Lias specifically impact RAPTORS with him only having the CHAPTER keyword... Either there would be a conflict between White Scars and Raptors CT as no unit I'm aware of can have more than 1 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354703-can-lias-use-white-scars-chapter-tactics-as-raptors/#findComment-5281258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Lias Issodon, the Red Scorpions characters, Tyberos, Huron and Gabriel Angelos have the specific Chapters referenced in their abilities. Forge World has stated that you use the Chapter Tactic that most fits the army. Because, despite Carcharodons being Raven Guard successors, ain't no way the Raven Guard Chapter Tactic fit that army :lol: So yes, you can use the White Scars Chapter Tactic for the Raptors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354703-can-lias-use-white-scars-chapter-tactics-as-raptors/#findComment-5281323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCE1981 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Technically tou can use whatever base Chapter you want. But would be restricted from using that base Chapters relics or specific warlord traits. In what you are looking for yes you can be Raptors(White Scars). You just can’t use the White Scars Relic or Warlord Trait, you will have to use the basic ones. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354703-can-lias-use-white-scars-chapter-tactics-as-raptors/#findComment-5285077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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