Chaos Space Marine plans?

[Skyrak Slaughterborn]

Hey guys.

With all these exciting new releases going on i cant help but wonder what to do with all my old chaos space marine miniatures. Currently i have about 30 miniatures stripped down and i just dont know what to do with them.

3x 10 squads of possessed marines using green stuff?

3x 10 raptor squads after purchasing around 30 jump packs?.

Or just build them as is and swallow the bitter pill that is scale creep.

Is anyone else feeling the same?

I would love to hear some ideas!

[Subtle Discord]

Get models and miniatures! Paint them Black!

 

...

 

Wait. What? There's more? There are other options?

 

*Cough*

Sorry I can't be more constructive right now. It's late and I couldn't help myself.

[Lord Asvaldir]

Honestly, I'm just accepting the scale creep. If you just put one of the new marines next to one the old ones, the difference in quality is just too much for me. What I'll probably do is just leave all my old marines in a box and save them for the rare big apoc game.  

[Sception]

Local store is having a trade swap next month. Gonna see if i can't hawk my old csm stuff to players who care about rules more than models.

 

If not, I might repaint my old marines as red corsairs, and use them as a side detachment of inferior post-heresy traitors.

[Vorenus]

This is what I've ordered:

 

Abaddon the Despoiler

2 Lords Discordant

Shadowspear Daemonkin set: Master of Possessed, 10 CSM, 2 Greater Possessed, Venomcrawler, 2 Obliterators

20 more CSM (for a total of 30 of the new sculpts, including the Shadowspear half)

10 Havocs (one squad I plan to have with lascannons, the other chainguns--only need to find good bits for the chainguns, since the box only comes with 1 per box)

10 Chaos Terminators

Master of Executions (because, why not?)

Noctilith Crown (maybe won't do well on the tabletop, but I love the look of the model)

Dark Apostle and 2 Dark Disciples

 

I'm very excited!

 

Edited: I forgot to include the Dark Apostle and 2 Dark Disciples before.

[Excessus]

Get models and miniatures! Paint them Black!

 

[Sonoftherubric21]

I got, including what is upcoming:

3 sets of shadowspear (2 were intentional...third was on accident!) 

Abbadon.
30 new Multi-Part sculpts from the brand new kit. 

Noctitlith crown. 

10 havocs. 

Dark apostle

master of execution. 

One box of possessed.

 

I kit bashed 10 possessed from 5 of the new multi part new marines and 5 of the mono-pose shadowspear figures. Made some big and burly possessed and the only parts I couldn't use were the legs! 

[General Strike]

Do you guys think zerkers will be better as World Eaters or as Red Corsairs? World Eaters give an extra attack on the charge, but Red Corsairs allow advance and charge. So, move 6", advance them, then charge with re-rolls from Icon of Wrath? I feel like better likely hood of getting into combat is worth more than the extra attack.

 

I'm thinking something like a Red Corsairs battalion, with most of my heavy lifting in that. Then a Vanguard with Terminators and Abaddon for bringers of Despair.

[Dumah]

Do you guys think zerkers will be better as World Eaters or as Red Corsairs? World Eaters give an extra attack on the charge, but Red Corsairs allow advance and charge. So, move 6", advance them, then charge with re-rolls from Icon of Wrath? I feel like better likely hood of getting into combat is worth more than the extra attack.

 

I'm thinking something like a Red Corsairs battalion, with most of my heavy lifting in that. Then a Vanguard with Terminators and Abaddon for bringers of Despair.

I agree with your assessment between RC and WE but have you looked at Brazen Beasts? Their "rending" ability makes Zerkers truly terrifying to all targets - if my half-cocked armchair math is right, in most cases they outclass World Eaters for damage. And since they don't disallow psykers like WE, you could warp time to get them into combat quicker.

[General Strike]

Maybe switch it up to be Red Corsair Battalion, Vanguard of Brazen Zerks, and Vanguard of BL Termies.

[TempestBlade]

Brazen beasts I think are going to be...pardon the pun....beasts. Even a lot of daemon engines running with the lord discordant they get a 1cp to do D3 mortal wound to anything within an inch of them. I’m think brazen beasts battalion with a khorne battalion and a soulforge pack.

[Subtle Discord]

As others have said and alluded to, I'm just embracing the change and accepting that swaths of my old collection are going to get an update. The new models are just too good and what I've been waiting for since GW pushed their component quality to this new level about 5-6 years ago. It's why I broke down and started an AdMech force as a holdover, the new kits are just hands-down of a better quality today and there's a distinct point where it happened. I also know that they're hitting a limit at this detail level and diminishing returns at this point will make it very hard for them to push it significantly further, and there's no need really because they're at an amazing level of detail now. My point being, it's going to be a looong time before these new releases become 'obsolete'. They may add and adjust the offering but these models won't be replaced for many years.

 

I will be giving my old collection to my 9-year-old son as a starter army to get him involved with the hobby with the least resistance; he's been interested for years but not quite old enough to be able to properly grasp the rules but that's starting to change. He's still a bit too young to have the patience and skill for painting. Some do by this age but I know my son and he's not there yet, so I figured it would be a good way to sidestep that and then he can do that part of the hobby when he's ready for that challenge. Get him throwing dice and understanding the mechanics of the game to get him really hooked, then he can deal with the daunting task of wanting to make an army from scratch, which can be a huge barrier for many people, especially when you're young and impatient.

[Lord Asvaldir]

The new models are just too good

 

Yup, there's simply no other way to put it. I may keep my old terminators, the new set seems like an improvement but not a massive one over the old models, but the difference between standard marines is night and day. Can't wait to get my hands on enough boxes of the new marines to fill out my standard 2k army. 

[Skyrak Slaughterborn]

As others have said and alluded to, I'm just embracing the change and accepting that swaths of my old collection are going to get an update. The new models are just too good and what I've been waiting for since GW pushed their component quality to this new level about 5-6 years ago. It's why I broke down and started an AdMech force as a holdover, the new kits are just hands-down of a better quality today and there's a distinct point where it happened. I also know that they're hitting a limit at this detail level and diminishing returns at this point will make it very hard for them to push it significantly further, and there's no need really because they're at an amazing level of detail now. My point being, it's going to be a looong time before these new releases become 'obsolete'. They may add and adjust the offering but these models won't be replaced for many years.

 

I will be giving my old collection to my 9-year-old son as a starter army to get him involved with the hobby with the least resistance; he's been interested for years but not quite old enough to be able to properly grasp the rules but that's starting to change. He's still a bit too young to have the patience and skill for painting. Some do by this age but I know my son and he's not there yet, so I figured it would be a good way to sidestep that and then he can do that part of the hobby when he's ready for that challenge. Get him throwing dice and understanding the mechanics of the game to get him really hooked, then he can deal with the daunting task of wanting to make an army from scratch, which can be a huge barrier for many people, especially when you're young and impatient.

I think you have hit the nail on the head. The quality cant really get any better at this stage thats for sure

I could put them aside and hand them down to my children and get them into the hobby by using those models as an intro army as you said. I think this is more likely to be the case.

[Skyrak Slaughterborn]

Its good to see so many people doing big buy ups of the new gear. I too will be purchasing some choice cuts from the warp, but i just cant justify replacing everything.

Hence the urge to convert the 30 marines into something useful, like possessed or raptors, which i dont think will be getting a new kit soon.

I do like the idea of a red corsair detachment using the old style marines though. That really makes sense to me.

[Vorenus]

For the record:  I'm not replacing any of my current models or downsizing my collection, I'm simply adding the new hotness to the strong core of what I already have.  I have over 30,000 points of Chaos Space Marines--that's not going away.  Nor would I want it to!  But the new models are beautiful, and I must have them.  In the immortal words of Gollum, herald of the Ruinous Powers, "My precious.  My precious!"

[Skyrak Slaughterborn]

For the record: I'm not replacing any of my current models or downsizing my collection, I'm simply adding the new hotness to the strong core of what I already have. I have over 30,000 points of Chaos Space Marines--that's not going away. Nor would I want it to! But the new models are beautiful, and I must have them. In the immortal words of Gollum, herald of the Ruinous Powers, "My precious. My precious!"

I love this. Its purely the scale creep that bothers me, i actually like the old marines. Im glad you can have old and new side by side.

[Furnace Lord]

Possible idea, make a warband of the Oath-Broken. They are warband of the Black Legion made up of those who have failed or been crippled but not received the blessings of Chaos to help them mend. So they cobble together what they can and try to achieve glory and redeem themselves. And they generally look like garbage compared to standard members of the Legion. Take your less attractive older models...and make them worse:

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Oath-Broken,_The

[Subtle Discord]

A collection of miniatures that reaches any serious size becomes something of a legacy, it's not right or wrong if and when models and units get retired. It's a process that should happen at a pace that the individual collector is right with, but I'm a believer in keeping completed projects for posterity even if it's been replaced by something new. It's a portfolio of your old work and worth keeping for that reason alone, in my opinion. Naturally, I can also understand storage constraints and the like might make things difficult, but I've seen many people regret unloading old collections. I would contemplate on it quite a bit before I did. Place them on a lower shelf, and pull them out now and then when you need an odd combination of models for a unique list. Yeah, I've got a thing for nostalgia and regret dismantling a few of my old projects even to this day.

[Sgt. Blank]

CSM Plans: KILL MAIM BURN!

 

Army plan: Accept the scale creep and buy what new units I want. I've been collecting since 2nd edition and this is similar to the metal to multi-part plastic transition. I'm not going to replace existing units just to have the scale but if there are new units, new load outs or new models I like, that's what I'll add.

 

One note on the suggestions re: the renegades - they've got some nice new rules but as I understand it, they don't get Veterans of the Long War, so that's worth factoring in when weighing your choice.

[Mallios]

Possible idea, make a warband of the Oath-Broken. They are warband of the Black Legion made up of those who have failed or been crippled but not received the blessings of Chaos to help them mend. So they cobble together what they can and try to achieve glory and redeem themselves. And they generally look like garbage compared to standard members of the Legion. Take your less attractive older models...and make them worse:

 

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Oath-Broken,_The

That's brilliant, and probably the answer i was seeking. Thank you for that

[Darnok]

I have a bunch of unbuilt "Oldmarines" that I will kitbash with parts from loyalist kits to build some more recently turned Renegades. Most likely as Red Corsairs - I feel a bit guilty for it, but their new rules actually made a difference in that decision. Having about 20 unbuilt models just fits too nicely for the "Spiky 17" thingy.

 

My "main force" will be made of the new models - they are so much better than their precedessors it is almost unreal.

[Xenith]

I'm torn between adding the new stuff to my Iron Warriors or making a new Alpha Legion army.

 

I like having a massive army, but I also wanted an army from each of the legions at some stage.

 

I think I might have answered my own question.

[Dragonlover]

I'm torn between adding the new stuff to my Iron Warriors or making a new Alpha Legion army.

 

I like having a massive army, but I also wanted an army from each of the legions at some stage.

 

I think I might have answered my own question.

 

If you need a hand with that, it's something I've put a lot of thought into. Feel free to PM me!

 

As for the question of what to do with the old stuff, I use it for testing armies out, and just paint it in whatever colour schemes strike my fancy.

 

Dragonlover

[Darnok]

I like having a massive army, but I also wanted an army from each of the legions at some stage.

Not an army for me, but contemplating my options (ending up with Black Legion due to how awesome the Abaddon model is) I decided to do a Kill Team for each legion. Less daunting of a project and actually achievable for me.