GreaterChickenofTzeentch Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Hey folks, it looks like Codex CSM 2.0 changed the Rubric datasheet in there to match ours. They now cannot have Force Axes or Force Swords on their Aspirings, and they need 10 men for a Soulreaper. Looks like everything is finally consistent, making ours mostly better given the extra power and the extra range on Smite (though theirs can get some interesting Legion Traits). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to Darkness Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Sucks to be a TS player who still has metal Champions then if you cant take swords. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5289896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Sucks to be a TS player who still has metal Champions then if you cant take swords. Index Datasheet allows them to use Power Swords.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5289972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreaterChickenofTzeentch Posted April 3, 2019 Author Share Posted April 3, 2019 Sucks to be a TS player who still has metal Champions then if you cant take swords. Index Datasheet allows them to use Power Swords.... Yep. We'll see how long the Index lasts. As someone who has a double digit number of the old metal Aspiring Sorcerers, I have no problem taking some tin snips and a file to them to swap in some staves if I have too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5290002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skerr Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 I forget, wasn't there something TS got that CSM Rubrics did not get? Maybe it was access to the TS legion trait though I thought there was something else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5290199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kite Senet Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 I forget, wasn't there something TS got that CSM Rubrics did not get? Maybe it was access to the TS legion trait though I thought there was something else.It was my understanding that CSM Rubrics only have access to mini-Smite, whereas TS Rubrics can access the mini-spells of the Discipline of Change. Of course, this may have changed with CSM 2.0. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5290247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreaterChickenofTzeentch Posted April 3, 2019 Author Share Posted April 3, 2019 I forget, wasn't there something TS got that CSM Rubrics did not get? Maybe it was access to the TS legion trait though I thought there was something else.It was my understanding that CSM Rubrics only have access to mini-Smite, whereas TS Rubrics can access the mini-spells of the Discipline of Change. Of course, this may have changed with CSM 2.0. Ours get one power from Change in addition to mini-Smite. Theirs only get mini-Smite. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5290385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Wasn't there a point where we could take a soulreaper at 5 men? Poor TS getting the sticky end of the stick again. noise marines get 2 blastmasters at 10men. Plagues get 3 special weapons at 5... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5290702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciler Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 TBH that's not really an issue in my opinion. WIth the current beta bolter rule, the reaper canon is less of a must have than it may have been. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5290708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomWolf Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 I still find it to be highly desirable. Especially at the old 5-man team CSM used to have, there is was amazing. Basically, the added firepower is almost as much as an improvement as 2 more guys, as you replace 2 S4AP2 shots with 4 S5AP3 shots. double the number, better stats-and you are not restricted by movement. Given that a dude is 18, and the gun upgrade is 8, its a pretty hefty upgrade. Also, bolter discipline is still beta, and not part of the "official" game, so any turny is unlikely to run it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5290724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 TBH that's not really an issue in my opinion. WIth the current beta bolter rule, the reaper canon is less of a must have than it may have been. For Scarabs I'd agree, however moving rubrics still only get one shot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5290732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnok Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Sucks to be a TS player who still has metal Champions then if you cant take swords. Index Datasheet allows them to use Power Swords.... Yep. We'll see how long the Index lasts. As someone who has a double digit number of the old metal Aspiring Sorcerers, I have no problem taking some tin snips and a file to them to swap in some staves if I have too. Well, "counts as" is still a thing. Anybody except "that guy" will allow you to play them with "Force Staves", just talk your opponent through the issue before the game. You might want to check with a TO in advance, but I really do not see it being a problem. And even in the cases where this fails: they still work perfectly fine as legal sorcerers, "normal" or exalted. P.S.: Isn't it funny how the artwork below the unit entry (check page 141) shows the sorcerer wielding a sword - which he can no longer legally field? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5291446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciler Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Oops Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5291524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 TBH that's not really an issue in my opinion. WIth the current beta bolter rule, the reaper canon is less of a must have than it may have been. But they look cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5291638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreaterChickenofTzeentch Posted April 5, 2019 Author Share Posted April 5, 2019 Sucks to be a TS player who still has metal Champions then if you cant take swords. Index Datasheet allows them to use Power Swords.... Yep. We'll see how long the Index lasts. As someone who has a double digit number of the old metal Aspiring Sorcerers, I have no problem taking some tin snips and a file to them to swap in some staves if I have too. Well, "counts as" is still a thing. Anybody except "that guy" will allow you to play them with "Force Staves", just talk your opponent through the issue before the game. You might want to check with a TO in advance, but I really do not see it being a problem. And even in the cases where this fails: they still work perfectly fine as legal sorcerers, "normal" or exalted. P.S.: Isn't it funny how the artwork below the unit entry (check page 141) shows the sorcerer wielding a sword - which he can no longer legally field? I ALSO own a double digit number of the old 2nd Ed metal sorcerers, so if I want those, I've already got them. LOL. Modding the "little guys" will actually be fun. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5291670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 I hate to say this but we have to be careful and doublecheck on stuff in the new Chaos Codex. I have it as well and when I found Oblits were 65 points I realized there's probably a few copy/paste errors in it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5291711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithrilForge Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 Hmm this means that 5x Dust Bunnies squad i'm working on for My BL army will need to be 10x Dust Bunnies now i gotta get that new dex soon Mithril Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5292375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomWolf Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 Hi, at least it spares us the pain of "If I only ran my rubrics as purge/scourged/alpha they could be so much better MSU" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5292423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 Hi, at least it spares us the pain of "If I only ran my rubrics as purge/scourged/alpha they could be so much better MSU" Certainly had to tone down those rampant MSU Rubrics spamming Soul reaper Cannons. Because you know no other power armor gets a heavy weapon at 5 models. It's good though finally maybe some Castellans and Ynnari lists will make it to the top tables and we will get some diversity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5292731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 Is this a joke? Tactical marines and CSM get one heavy weapon per 5 models, Noise Marines too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5292975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naryn Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Is this a joke? Tactical marines and CSM get one heavy weapon per 5 models, Noise Marines too. It is, Raven1's whole post was sarcastic. No one was taking MSU Rubrics, other power armor units get heavy weapons 1 per 5, tons of people take Ynnari and Castellans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5293363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyzariel Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 This thread suddenly made me realize that renegade chapters have better Rubrics than us... This is sad really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5293625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Not anymore they don't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5293627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyzariel Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 I'm actually referring to the traits, not the heavy weapon requirements. Rubric marines with The Scourged trait is kinda awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5293678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 I'm actually referring to the traits, not the heavy weapon requirements. Rubric marines with The Scourged trait is kinda awesome. For that trait, and it is a good one, you lose ObSec, a proper psychic power and 6" of range on the power and the baby smite. That is pretty much. The trait also slows the game down needlessly, if you play it as written. You have to roll each inferno boltgun separately. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355015-non-ts-rubrics-changed-in-codex-csm-20/#findComment-5293698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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