Slanesh and multiple source of extra attacks mechanic

[angrom]

Hi all,

 

I have a question regarding attacks that can generate more attacks and how they works together when mutliple sources are combined.

Let's say a daemon prince of slanesh with the Flawless host legion with ultimate confidence WT close by a chaos daemon codex herald of slanesh

So the daemon will generate 3 additional attacks for every 6's to hit (let's say we get 3 * 4+ out of the 7 attacks)

That gives 16 attacks , let's say all hits, then are the 16 attacks generating extra attacks for 6's to WOUND with the codex daemon stratagem "Locus of grace" ? Also once generated, does these last extra attack capable to trigger the Ultimate confidence WT again? (less probable).

 

The wording is "these bonus attacks cannot THEMSELVES generate any further attacks".

Does that mean that no matter what they cannot generate extra attacks even using a different source at least once?

Or does the THEMSELVES means that you cannot generate extra attacks using the same mechanics (for example the extra 3 attacks on 6's to hit cannot generate further extra 3 attacks on 6's to hit themselves).

To me if the source is different and from a different rule/trait/stratagem and on top of that triggering on different rolls (wounds instead of hits) I would be tempted to say that they combine NO?

 

 

[Panzer]

Well first of all, you can't use a Codex Daemon Stratagem on a Codex Chaos Space Marine daemon unit per FAQ, so the Locus of Grace problem doesn't occur.

 

However lets say just for sake of the argument you can use it on a Flawless Host Daemon Prince. You'd have to do separate dice pools as each of these rules say those attacks can't generate further attacks.

So you have 8 attacks, 7 hit, 3 of those generate extra attacks which all hit as well. Makes 10 hits. Now 3 of those can't generate extra attacks anymore so no matter what you roll for the to-wound roll you won't get more out of those. The other 7 can create more attacks so lets say you roll 2 more 6s and gain 2 extra attacks. Those can't generate extra attacks anymore either so you can just roll to hit with them and ignore any Flawless Host or DttFE special rules.

 

tl;dr yes it means they can't generate extra attacks whatsoever regardless of the source. "Themselves" doesn't imply "same source".

[angrom]

Ok good to know !

Also which FAQ is stating about cross using stratagem between codexes?

[Panzer]

Ok good to know !

Also which FAQ is stating about cross using stratagem between codexes?

 

It's the first question in the Codex Daemon FAQ.

 

 

 

Q: When a Stratagem from Codex: Chaos Daemons uses

the Daemon keyword, can it be used to affect any unit with

the Daemon keyword, or only units with the Daemon

Faction keyword?

A: These Stratagems can only affect units with the

Daemon Faction keyword.

When the Codex got released people started teleporting Daemon Primarchs which GW didn't like and made them realise they screwed up by giving every Daemon unit the Daemon keyword instead of having a different keyword as faction keyword for the actual Codex Daemon daemons ...... daemon daemon daemon. :D