Azorius Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Specialized Orders introduced in Malevolence? The Orders of the Blood Angels and White Scars are all splendid, thus I dearly wish to collect them in the not-so-far future. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355203-will-the-forge-world-release-models-based-on/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Unless they have rules, I wouldn't count on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355203-will-the-forge-world-release-models-based-on/#findComment-5294208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azorius Posted April 10, 2019 Author Share Posted April 10, 2019 Unless they have rules, I wouldn't count on it. I hope they'd add the rules in the future for yet unrealized Orders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355203-will-the-forge-world-release-models-based-on/#findComment-5294337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhar'Neth Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 What are those specialized orders? Never heard of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355203-will-the-forge-world-release-models-based-on/#findComment-5294856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_Dew Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 The Crimson Paladins - guards of Sangs stuff Angels Tears - Alternate Destroyers The Burning Eye's - Sang's unit of secret police, assassins and spies - the only ones without rules The Sanguinary Guard are just command squads rules wise as for the white scars they are all covered by unit's already, The Karaoghlanlar are just the name given to Destroyers, The Burgediin Sarhvu are the Falcon's Claws included in the book, The Kharash are the Ebon Keshig included in the book, The Uhaan Solban are any dreadnought in the legion, The Akoghlanlar are the legions Apothecaries, so they are all covered. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355203-will-the-forge-world-release-models-based-on/#findComment-5296200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavement Artist Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 The units with rules will get models at some point. Forge world aren't known to be overwhelmingly organised with their schedule so i wouldn't hold out hope for it being soon.(just ask us alpha Legion and imperial fists players who had to wait four years for a primarch) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355203-will-the-forge-world-release-models-based-on/#findComment-5296256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azorius Posted April 14, 2019 Author Share Posted April 14, 2019 The Crimson Paladins - guards of Sangs stuff Angels Tears - Alternate Destroyers The Burning Eye's - Sang's unit of secret police, assassins and spies - the only ones without rules The Sanguinary Guard are just command squads rules wise as for the white scars they are all covered by unit's already, The Karaoghlanlar are just the name given to Destroyers, The Burgediin Sarhvu are the Falcon's Claws included in the book, The Kharash are the Ebon Keshig included in the book, The Uhaan Solban are any dreadnought in the legion, The Akoghlanlar are the legions Apothecaries, so they are all covered. I think each Order of the White Scars should be given their own distinctive rule, in the same fashion Ebon Keshig is different from 'normal' Catapractii Terminators, or Elerim is different from 'normal' Destroyers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355203-will-the-forge-world-release-models-based-on/#findComment-5296567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Why. Why should some legions get every facet of their culture fleshed out by models while others don't? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355203-will-the-forge-world-release-models-based-on/#findComment-5296579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 An individual legions rules allow you to create legion specific versions of each of their units. Fist Veterans are BS 5, Iron Hands breachers have -1 strength to incoming shooting. Seems pretty legit to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355203-will-the-forge-world-release-models-based-on/#findComment-5296583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azorius Posted April 14, 2019 Author Share Posted April 14, 2019 Why. Why should some legions get every facet of their culture fleshed out by models while others don't? Because the BA and WS have, unlike many other Legions, fleshed out lore of their specialized Orders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355203-will-the-forge-world-release-models-based-on/#findComment-5296596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_Dew Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 then other's should also have their's fleshed out, it's only fair Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355203-will-the-forge-world-release-models-based-on/#findComment-5296618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Why. Why should some legions get every facet of their culture fleshed out by models while others don't? Because the BA and WS have, unlike many other Legions, fleshed out lore of their specialized Orders. That still doesnt merit them gaining full model support for everything; thats assigning a fair amount of production resources to something that is unlikely to sell in appreciable quantities when players could just use their creativity and imagination in assembling such models themselves. I mean, for the most part, the only real differences with these orders verses their more standardized counterparts are heraldry and where they fit into the command hierarchy; not so much that they are SO divergent they deserve their own bespoke rules/models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355203-will-the-forge-world-release-models-based-on/#findComment-5296629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavement Artist Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Blood angels are literally only lacking the secret police unit. You can easily represent them with seekers or veteran squads. Why not convert some or homebrew your own rules? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355203-will-the-forge-world-release-models-based-on/#findComment-5296755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Why. Why should some legions get every facet of their culture fleshed out by models while others don't? Because the BA and WS have, unlike many other Legions, fleshed out lore of their specialized Orders. Right, like the order of ruin for thousand sons isn't a thing from the last book. The dodekatheon and other various subfactions of it shouldn't be represented for the iron warriors. The ultramarines secret police, raven guard nomad fleets and sable brand moritat, night lords atrementar; they're all not fleshed out like the few blurbs for the ba and ws Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355203-will-the-forge-world-release-models-based-on/#findComment-5296760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Observant Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Things may be fleshed out in future books, such as the ultramarines secret police in the shadow crusade etc. Forgeworld said that if possible as they increase the black books they will add units/change rules as the ehresy progresses, so its entirely possible, but we will have to wait until after book 9 to see what forgeworld is planning Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355203-will-the-forge-world-release-models-based-on/#findComment-5296835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_Dew Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Blood angels are literally only lacking the secret police unit. You can easily represent them with seekers or veteran squads. Why not convert some or homebrew your own rules? Things may be fleshed out in future books, such as the ultramarines secret police in the shadow crusade etc. Forgeworld said that if possible as they increase the black books they will add units/change rules as the ehresy progresses, so its entirely possible, but we will have to wait until after book 9 to see what forgeworld is planning the UM secret police is a rite of war and with a little leniency from who you're playing against you could use the same RoW for the BA one or use some house rules to play a small game without unit cohesion unless FW release some skirmish rules if I haven't missed them that is Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355203-will-the-forge-world-release-models-based-on/#findComment-5296950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Blood angels are literally only lacking the secret police unit. You can easily represent them with seekers or veteran squads. Why not convert some or homebrew your own rules? Things may be fleshed out in future books, such as the ultramarines secret police in the shadow crusade etc. Forgeworld said that if possible as they increase the black books they will add units/change rules as the ehresy progresses, so its entirely possible, but we will have to wait until after book 9 to see what forgeworld is planning the UM secret police is a rite of war and with a little leniency from who you're playing against you could use the same RoW for the BA one or use some house rules to play a small game without unit cohesion unless FW release some skirmish rules if I haven't missed them that is That makes... Zero sense. The UM secret police are human auxilia. Trained men of Mcragge, part of Guilliman's empire. The BA secret police are from the legion itself. Actual Astartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355203-will-the-forge-world-release-models-based-on/#findComment-5296977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Krash Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 I'm a little mad that Amit didn't get any love.... Krash Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355203-will-the-forge-world-release-models-based-on/#findComment-5297012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Blood angels are literally only lacking the secret police unit. You can easily represent them with seekers or veteran squads. Why not convert some or homebrew your own rules? Things may be fleshed out in future books, such as the ultramarines secret police in the shadow crusade etc. Forgeworld said that if possible as they increase the black books they will add units/change rules as the ehresy progresses, so its entirely possible, but we will have to wait until after book 9 to see what forgeworld is planning the UM secret police is a rite of war and with a little leniency from who you're playing against you could use the same RoW for the BA one or use some house rules to play a small game without unit cohesion unless FW release some skirmish rules if I haven't missed them that is That makes... Zero sense. The UM secret police are human auxilia. Trained men of Mcragge, part of Guilliman's empire. The BA secret police are from the legion itself. Actual Astartes. Actually Vigil Opertii dudes are failed aspirants with some level of astartes augmentation. But humans still. As for BA "secret polce" I think it's MAYBY just a chaplain corps+. Like that guy in Fear to thread that was non-stop stalking Kano because he was a former librarian? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355203-will-the-forge-world-release-models-based-on/#findComment-5297155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_Dew Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 The Chaplains are Wardens, are openly visible with the black armour and skull helm and oddly not mentioned at all in malevolence. As for the Vigil Opertii RoW i was thinking small amount of actual SM's, also the Vigil Opertii is basically the same as The Burning Eye's in the counter-insurgency and policing operations way, with the Burning Eye's Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355203-will-the-forge-world-release-models-based-on/#findComment-5297310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalwolf Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I assume they will get models way down the line. Anuj said we're less than half way done so all legions should have a new book where they feature prominently. The boat might have sailed for loyalist units of traitor legions like the sun killers of the third though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355203-will-the-forge-world-release-models-based-on/#findComment-5299525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Blood angels are literally only lacking the secret police unit. You can easily represent them with seekers or veteran squads. Why not convert some or homebrew your own rules? The BA secret police Icon is identical to the RT field police icon Seeing as the others are just normal legionaires with fancy weapons, just use any model you want in the field police scheme. Ideal rules are chaplains, vigilators, seekers, delagatus, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355203-will-the-forge-world-release-models-based-on/#findComment-5302155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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