Panzer Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Any model may replace bolter with sonic blaster, champion may replace pistol with champ equipment, champion may TAKE doom siren.No. Champion may replace boltgun AND bolt pistol with champion equipment, not bolt pistol. He needs to replace two weapons in order to access the armory. To be fair, it also says "replace his bolt pistol and boltgun with items from the Champion Equipment list". Items as in plural. The whole thing isn't worded very well and one could even argue that the champion could take multiple items from the champion equipment list, not just one or two. However for sanitys sake the common interpretation of the use of "replace", listing two items and using "items" instead of "an item" is that one can indeed have to give away both, pistol and bolter and then can take two items from said list .... which also includes a bolter which you then can trade in for a sonic blaster. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355222-best-loadout-for-noise-marines/page/2/#findComment-5295243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maschinenpriester Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Sorry guys i confused doom Siren with sonic blaster. >.< I meant the doom Siren of the champ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355222-best-loadout-for-noise-marines/page/2/#findComment-5295249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annatar Giftbringer Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Any model may replace bolter with sonic blaster, champion may replace pistol with champ equipment, champion may TAKE doom siren.No. Champion may replace boltgun AND bolt pistol with champion equipment, not bolt pistol. He needs to replace two weapons in order to access the armory. To be fair, it also says "replace his bolt pistol and boltgun with items from the Champion Equipment list". Items as in plural. The whole thing isn't worded very well and one could even argue that the champion could take multiple items from the champion equipment list, not just one or two. However for sanitys sake the common interpretation of the use of "replace", listing two items and using "items" instead of "an item" is that one can indeed have to give away both, pistol and bolter and then can take two items from said list .... which also includes a bolter which you then can trade in for a sonic blaster. Doesn’t matter. The champion equipment list states that a champion may choose up to two items from the list, one of which may be a bolter or combi-weapon. The noise marine datasheet doesn’t need to specify, it’s in the description in p.119. By all means, go ahead and replace your champions’ bolter (and pistol) with armory access, then choose one bolter instead of a combi-plasma or whatever. Replace said bolter with a blaster, and the model still only has one “rifle-sized weapon. No combi+blaster Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355222-best-loadout-for-noise-marines/page/2/#findComment-5295251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Herald Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Sigh* They really need to start using and/or since I'm 99.999% that that's what they meant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355222-best-loadout-for-noise-marines/page/2/#findComment-5295255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annatar Giftbringer Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 And I’m equally convinced of the opposite :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355222-best-loadout-for-noise-marines/page/2/#findComment-5295262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Well it doesn't bother me too much anyway as I play my Champion with a Power axe which is perfectly fine in combination with a sonic blaster and a doom siren. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355222-best-loadout-for-noise-marines/page/2/#findComment-5295277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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