the emperor is scottish Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Hi Guys. Another thread here started the other day started my mind wandering.Can you or it it possible to build a CSM list round Be'lakor. I ask the question as Be'lakor is possibly my fave character in the warhammer universe and i adore his model. I'm also hopeless when it comes to the rules and haven't owned a codex in years. Thanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 It is possible to integrate Be'lakor into your CSM army. The easiest way would be to simply run him as a CSM Daemon Prince with wings and sword, you would have to pick a chaos god he follows, which wouldn't be fluffy, though. You could also have a separate detachment of Daemons where he is an HQ choice. The least favorable option would be to put him in the same detachment as your CSM. Then however you lose your legion benefits for the CSM and the benefits a daemon detachment would get. Since I haven't looked at the rules for be'lakor in a long time, I have no Idea what he would bring to a CSM army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5295407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Brotherhood Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 He works well with the Night Lords as he has a 12" -1 leadership making the morale tests even more brutal. He could possibly do well as part of Daemonkin themed army too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5295411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the emperor is scottish Posted April 12, 2019 Author Share Posted April 12, 2019 So what about having him in a daemon detachment in a night lords host raptorical daemonkin army? Would any of that be possible of have I just spouted :cuss? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5295554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Brotherhood Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 You could take Belakor in a separate auxiliary attachment I think, or do a small daemon force with him in it to run a longside Night Lords. I'd check the codexes / books though as I'm just going from memory. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5295559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dice4thedicegod Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 As said above, belakor can be good with the night lords (in a separate daemon detachment). The big weakness for him in list building is that having him with other god’s Daemons loses the locus (I.e. advance and charge for slaanesh, reroll charges for Khorne) which is a bit of a blow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5295606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aiwass Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 As said above, belakor can be good with the night lords (in a separate daemon detachment). The big weakness for him in list building is that having him with other god’s Daemons loses the locus (I.e. advance and charge for slaanesh, reroll charges for Khorne) which is a bit of a blow. Not really if you take him in a separate aux detachment for 1 CP. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5295608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dice4thedicegod Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 True, but then you use up a cp and a detachment, which may or may not be a big deal (for example, if you also want both a haarkon worldclaimer and a slaanesh daemon detachment in your night lords force - they both buff nightlords nicely) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5295615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 You "sacrifice" a detachment for Be'lakor anyway. The only question is do you want to take units without detachment benefits with him or not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5295658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the emperor is scottish Posted April 12, 2019 Author Share Posted April 12, 2019 So possible to take be'lakor alone as a detachment and run him with haarken and raptors/warp talons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5295708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Herald Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Be'lakor, with the rules of Be'lakor, can only be in a DAEMONS dettachment because of Battle Brothers (If you are using that rule) and his limited faction keywords. If you want to take him with CSM you have a few options. 1) Auxilary: Lose 1 CP and 1 Dettachment, not ideal, but least point expenditure. 2) Patrol: Take a unit of lesser Daemons. They don't cost much, but can be useful. You don't have a locus, but that's ok since most of what you have is CSM. You can even use Daemon strats to deepstrike them. Plaguebearers or Bloodletters are good. 3) A full on DAEMONS dettachment with Be'lakor as HQ and a 3rd supreme command DAEMONS dettachment to gain Loci. This requires more dettachments, but gets around Be'lakor preventing loci. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5295721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Herald Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 If you want a fluffy terror army, Night Lords Host Raptorial with Black Legion Bringers of Despair, and a DAEMONS dettachment with Be'lakor and NURGLE furies would be cool. I say Nurgle furies because they have Disgustingly Resilient, flying shields. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5295726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the emperor is scottish Posted April 12, 2019 Author Share Posted April 12, 2019 If you want a fluffy terror army, Night Lords Host Raptorial with Black Legion Bringers of Despair, and a DAEMONS dettachment with Be'lakor and NURGLE furies would be cool. I say Nurgle furies because they have Disgustingly Resilient, flying shields. This this this! Honestly dude this sounds awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5295733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dice4thedicegod Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Don’t forget the slaanesh daemon psychic combo of phantasmagoria and cacophony (minus one to ld within 12” and then a psi attack that does 2d6 minus ld mortal wounds) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5295738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Dicko Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 If you want a fluffy terror army, Night Lords Host Raptorial with Black Legion Bringers of Despair, and a DAEMONS dettachment with Be'lakor and NURGLE furies would be cool. I say Nurgle furies because they have Disgustingly Resilient, flying shields. This this this! Honestly dude this sounds awesome. Yeah this sounds like a really cool way to go! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5295740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the emperor is scottish Posted April 12, 2019 Author Share Posted April 12, 2019 If you want a fluffy terror army, Night Lords Host Raptorial with Black Legion Bringers of Despair, and a DAEMONS dettachment with Be'lakor and NURGLE furies would be cool. I say Nurgle furies because they have Disgustingly Resilient, flying shields. Would chaos hounds/khorne hounds fit into this list or do they need to be unaligned for be'lakor? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5295758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aiwass Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 They fit fine afaik, no daemons are unaligned besides Be'lakor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5295784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozo69pd Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Would chaos hounds/khorne hounds fit into this list or do they need to be unaligned for be'lakor? You read Ahriman Exodus didn't you? Personally, I would bring him with a unit of nurglings or furies. Then use all the new CSM goodness to splurge on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5295794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon Prince Marbas Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 A Daemonkin list would actually benefit quite a lot from Be'lakor as he could buff any of the Possessed or Greater Possessed regardless of God allegiance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5295824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the emperor is scottish Posted April 13, 2019 Author Share Posted April 13, 2019 Would chaos hounds/khorne hounds fit into this list or do they need to be unaligned for be'lakor? You read Ahriman Exodus didn't you? Personally, I would bring him with a unit of nurglings or furies. Then use all the new CSM goodness to splurge on. No lol is there something I posted that would suggest I did? A Daemonkin list would actually benefit quite a lot from Be'lakor as he could buff any of the Possessed or Greater Possessed regardless of God allegiance. You guys keep making the sound better and better. I thank you all for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5295919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Herald Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 I actually have a terror based rules list for each major chaos faction. CSM http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352910-grimoire-nostramo-list-of-enemy-ld-interacts-updated-3-31/ Daemons http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352937-grimoire-nostramo-list-of-enemy-ld-interacts/ Other http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352945-grimoire-nostramo-list-of-enemy-ld-interacts/ Summoning a Slaanesh Prince or Herald for the psychic powers is a great idea. If you have the points available, Zarakynel is really good. Potential-3 Ld+ psychic power dealing 2D6 - enemy Ld as mortal wounds. That's how you turn terror on characters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5296075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Herald Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 A Daemonkin list would actually benefit quite a lot from Be'lakor as he could buff any of the Possessed or Greater Possessed regardless of God allegiance. Or <LEGION>. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5296076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the emperor is scottish Posted April 13, 2019 Author Share Posted April 13, 2019 Thanks very much for your help guys. Doom in particular thank you for giving me the basis of a force. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5296116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Herald Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 You're welcome. Also, they way specialist dettachments work, you can include Haarken in a Bringers of Despair dettachment even though he's not a terminator. He just won't gain the keyword and therefore won't have the special rules. That 18" aura is nice though, a lot of field coverage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5296124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Annüss Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Whatever you do with Be'lakor, you have to be listening to Be'lakor as you do so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355259-belakor/#findComment-5296165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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