Big FAQ changes

[Guest]

I'm case you haven't already seen the changes, these are the SW codex FAQ changes.

 

Page 95 – Intercessors, Wargear Options

Change the third bullet point to read:

‘• The Intercessor Pack Leader may either replace their

bolt rifle with a chainsword, a power sword or a power

fist, or take a chainsword, a power sword or a power

fist in addition to their other weapons.’

Designer’s Note: This errata reflects the updated datasheet

changes found in Chapter Approved 2018.

 

FAQs

Q: When a unit with the And They Shall Know No Fear ability

takes a Morale test, is the number that is added to the dice roll

for the number of models destroyed in that unit for that turn

considered to be a modifier (for the purposes of applying re-rolls

before modifiers)?

A: No, the number added is not considered to be

a modifier.

 

Q: Can the Killshot Stratagem be used to affect Deimos Pattern

Relic Predators?

A: No. The Killshot Stratagem can only be used to affect

models using the Predator datasheet.

 

Q: If I use the Hellfire Shells or Flakk Missile Stratagem and I

hit, do I continue to roll to wound and do damage normally in

addition to doing mortal wounds?

A: No, the normal attack sequence ends.

 

Q: Which part of a Drop Pod should I measure distances from

and to, especially if the model has been assembled so its doors

can be opened or closed?

A: Measure all distances to and from any part of the

model, including its doors. If this model has been

assembled such that you can lower and raise its doors, then

when this model is first set up in the battlefield choose

whether the doors will be lowered or raised – you cannot

raise or lower the doors thereafter during the battle.

Designer’s Note: Choosing to set this model up in the ‘raised

doors position’ simply represents the doors closing the instant

after its passengers have disembarked.

 

 

And that is it for SW specific.

[PeteySödes]

Nothing shocking or even clarifying for me there.

 

Pretty disalusioned about the Bolter vehicle thing. Who thought that was broken? Nobody was even using Crusaders and storm bolters on the other ones wasnt particularly nasty, just helpful. I had planned to run a Crusader with Loganwing this season, suboptimal already but fun, now I feel like i'd have to turn in my 40k card....

[Guest Triszin]

It's really disappointing.

 

To early to be in ca18 so I guess we wait til 19 ca

[PeteySödes]

It's really disappointing.

 

To early to be in ca18 so I guess we wait til 19 ca

 

Its a real bummer, thats basically the whole summer season till the Fall update. Im not going to hope for another Index fix.

[Guest Triszin]

 

 

It's really disappointing.

 

To early to be in ca18 so I guess we wait til 19 ca

Its a real bummer, thats basically the whole summer season till the Fall update. Im not going to hope for another Index fix.

Yep. But we're not the only ones work this issue

 

Orks, nids, gsc, wolves.

 

I feel especially bad for gsc, who sold their army on there deployment shenneanigams only to have it hard countered and outlawed almost immediately.

[lonewolf81]

The biggest change for wolves was the fly change, now we can charge and heroicly intervene 6'' over enemy chaff. All other changes are insignificant for us. They could bring all armies that weren't in the CA2018 up to date with a CA2018 FAQ but hey...it seems we will stay overcosted and at the bottom of the barrel until the next edition

[Rune Priest Jbickb]

And while the bolter vehicle thing was a bit off, at least the bolter rule stuck which is a small but welcome bump.

[Karhedron]

Pretty disalusioned about the Bolter vehicle thing. Who thought that was broken? Nobody was even using Crusaders and storm bolters on the other ones wasnt particularly nasty, just helpful.

Apparently Storm Ravens and Dark Talons were considered too abusive with this. I guess they felt that the CA18 price cut was enough of a buff for the LRC. 

[PeteySödes]

 

Pretty disalusioned about the Bolter vehicle thing. Who thought that was broken? Nobody was even using Crusaders and storm bolters on the other ones wasnt particularly nasty, just helpful.

Apparently Storm Ravens and Dark Talons were considered too abusive with this. I guess they felt that the CA18 price cut was enough of a buff for the LRC. 

 

 

Sure im just frustrated that at 8ths outset one of the bonuses seemed to be that with datasheets you could tweak things finer than the sweeping changes we always see.

[Kallas]

Sure im just frustrated that at 8ths outset one of the bonuses seemed to be that with datasheets you could tweak things finer than the sweeping changes we always see.

 

Me too Brother, me too...

[Ratherdashing]

The drop pod thing is basically irrelevant but still absurd. Open fins should be treated as open ground...I know it would be trickier to word for powergamers but really...drop pods with a footprint bigger than any other model in the game outside a FoR?

 

Quick question about Bolter Discipline..has anyone clarified how it works for combiweapons? Logically I would think if you combi-fire a combi-plasma at 24" and stationary, you'd get 2 bolt shots and one plasma. But that would also be the most complicated (though the most natural) way, and I could see them just ruling that Combi weapons don't get to use the rule when using the dual fire mode.

[PeteySödes]

The drop pod thing is basically irrelevant but still absurd. Open fins should be treated as open ground...I know it would be trickier to word for powergamers but really...drop pods with a footprint bigger than any other model in the game outside a FoR

I actually was doing some measuring since I’m not so sure it’s irrelevant. You could put some WG squads with plasma in 2 and deploy them chained together. Instant barrier, guns within 12” for double tap and immune to the counter charge till they waste shots on a DP.

 

Not a tourney winner but could be pretty toolboxy for objectives and aggressive play. I’m certainly going to test it.

[Ratherdashing]

Mostly I say irrelevant because a tourney player will not pay the points to use pods as a force field and a friendly player will probably not use pods as a forcefield. I don't want to seem judgmental; it just seems pretty cheesy to me, even as someone who is desperate to find a use for pods.

[PeteySödes]

Mostly I say irrelevant because a tourney player will not pay the points to use pods as a force field and a friendly player will probably not use pods as a forcefield. I don't want to seem judgmental; it just seems pretty cheesy to me, even as someone who is desperate to find a use for pods.

We will if it works. Being a tourney player means assessing every angle of a book or update and finding the gems.

[CaptainStabby]

Have you seen the Eldar "Im going to deploy in a corner" so I dont get charged setup? Petey is right, someone will lean on it.

Which is also the answer to why we are seeing sweeping changes as opposed to smaller line on a datasheet type ones. People are leaning on things that are largely either worded ambiguously or just play with some other core rule weirdly. It's rarely an ability or cost or statline that breaks things.

 

edit: Throw in a Deathstorm pod with the 2 regular ones and you have an instant wall of shooty murder that will be hilarious to use on someone at least once.

[PeteySödes]

If only the deathstorms weren’t so bloody expensive points wise. Since I’m still working on my main force for later in the year, I’ll bring 2 pods to a GT in May. Why the heck not, I’m going for hobby points anyways haha.

[Bulwyf]

The biggest change for wolves was the fly change, now we can charge and heroicly intervene 6'' over enemy chaff. All other changes are insignificant for us. They could bring all armies that weren't in the CA2018 up to date with a CA2018 FAQ but hey...it seems we will stay overcosted and at the bottom of the barrel until the next edition

 

This right here. I'm very disappointed that we got no fixes to the worst codex in 8th edition. SW are tied with GK as the worst army in 8th and we still get nothing to help us out. Unreal.

[NightHowler]

 

The biggest change for wolves was the fly change, now we can charge and heroicly intervene 6'' over enemy chaff. All other changes are insignificant for us. They could bring all armies that weren't in the CA2018 up to date with a CA2018 FAQ but hey...it seems we will stay overcosted and at the bottom of the barrel until the next edition

 

 

This right here. I'm very disappointed that we got no fixes to the worst codex in 8th edition. SW are tied with GK as the worst army in 8th and we still get nothing to help us out. Unreal.

I feel you. Believe me, it’s hard not to feel neglected. But we shouldn’t take it too personal. None of the weak codexes got any kind of boost that I can see. And a couple of the stronger ones got some much needed nerfs. Elder psychic powers, Knight shields, etc. I absolutely cannot believe that we will languish at the bottom forever, but it does look like it will be a challenging summer.

[Guest]

 

 

The biggest change for wolves was the fly change, now we can charge and heroicly intervene 6'' over enemy chaff. All other changes are insignificant for us. They could bring all armies that weren't in the CA2018 up to date with a CA2018 FAQ but hey...it seems we will stay overcosted and at the bottom of the barrel until the next edition

 

This right here. I'm very disappointed that we got no fixes to the worst codex in 8th edition. SW are tied with GK as the worst army in 8th and we still get nothing to help us out. Unreal.

I feel you. Believe me, it’s hard not to feel neglected. But we shouldn’t take it too personal. None of the weak codexes got any kind of boost that I can see. And a couple of the stronger ones got some much needed nerfs. Elder psychic powers, Knight shields, etc. I absolutely cannot believe that we will languish at the bottom forever, but it does look like it will be a challenging summer.

The issue is the middle ground armies (IG, Tau) had minor buffs which will put them competitive with the old powers. However the bottom armies will remain at the bottom. The only difference is that the old powerful armies won't have as much of a advantage.

 

So SW and GK that were stuck at bottom will resume at bottom. We need a big push in either rules or models. I would kill to get that primaries grey Slayer as it would be a big benefit, and maybe primaries long fangs.

[CaptainStabby]

What people are trying to argue on the drop pod and why it matters is... They are placing the pod with the doors up, 9 inches away and then "deciding" the door state of doors down and deploying troops from the edge of the down doors and getting an extra 4 ish inches of charge range effectively. Which is specifically not what the revision says. Those people need to get dreadsocked.

[PeteySödes]

What people are trying to argue on the drop pod and why it matters is... They are placing the pod with the doors up, 9 inches away and then "deciding" the door state of doors down and deploying troops from the edge of the down doors and getting an extra 4 ish inches of charge range effectively. Which is specifically not what the revision says. Those people need to get dreadsocked.

Yea I get what they were doing though it seems like a stretch, it’s pretty clear to me, and I’ve always played it, that the reserves regardless can’t be closer than 9” and that the doors don’t count.

 

What I’m saying NOW though is that now that they specifically do, that’s an insanely large footprint that eats up the board for cheap. There’s endless ways to use that type of thing.

[Rune Priest Jbickb]

To be fair an open drop pod is roughly a 9 inch (+/- a bit) circle. That is huge cuz that like a 13.5 in radius of deepstrike denial. However you will also have to find a place to put it on the table which might be tricky

[Hear da Lamentation]

Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook, page 177 – Moving

Change the second paragraph to read: ‘If the datasheet for a model says it can Fly, then during the Movement phase it can move across models as if they were not there, and when moving across terrain features, vertical distance is not counted against the total it can move (i.e. moving vertically is free for this model in the Movement phase). If the datasheet for a model says it can Fly, then during the Charge phase it can move across models (other than Buildings) as if they were not there.’

 

 

Does this mean that flyers can charge over the top of enemy troops? I’ve never played that, but it could be massive (for my enemy

[PeteySödes]

Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook, page 177 – Moving

Change the second paragraph to read: ‘If the datasheet for a model says it can Fly, then during the Movement phase it can move across models as if they were not there, and when moving across terrain features, vertical distance is not counted against the total it can move (i.e. moving vertically is free for this model in the Movement phase). If the datasheet for a model says it can Fly, then during the Charge phase it can move across models (other than Buildings) as if they were not there.’

 

 

Does this mean that flyers can charge over the top of enemy troops? I’ve never played that, but it could be massive (for my enemy )

 

Yes, they were able to do that prior to the fall FAQ, they just reversed that ruling.

[TiguriusX]

 

 

Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook, page 177 – Moving

Change the second paragraph to read: ‘If the datasheet for a model says it can Fly, then during the Movement phase it can move across models as if they were not there, and when moving across terrain features, vertical distance is not counted against the total it can move (i.e. moving vertically is free for this model in the Movement phase). If the datasheet for a model says it can Fly, then during the Charge phase it can move across models (other than Buildings) as if they were not there.’

 

 

Does this mean that flyers can charge over the top of enemy troops? I’ve never played that, but it could be massive (for my enemy )

Yes, they were able to do that prior to the fall FAQ, they just reversed that ruling.

They basically want to remove the building loophole charge (12 inches away diagonal but a 3 inch charge bc old rules ignored vertical distance).

 

Beta rule 1 wasn't worded carefully enough and killed fly charges. This is closer to the original intent