Demoulius Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Hey all, Im abit conflicted about taking either Lemartes or Astorath as an hq with the goal to support a jump DC unit. I feel Astorath is more well rounded as a character and can boost things that arent DC. However the buffs that Lemartes gives to a DC are more usefull I feel. Always getting a reroll to charge distance when within 6 inches of Lemartes is pretty huge. And hes cheaper then Astorath as well. He is abit weaker in combat then Astorath is (but only slightly) and he doesent buff things that arent DC which is the biggest drawback I suppose. But since hes also cheaper I kinda feel that overall it evens out. I just dont know which one to take What are peoples thoughts on this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355713-astorath-or-lemartes-for-supporting-dc/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
dice4thedicegod Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 It all depends on the rest of your list. If the hq might also need to buff sanguinary guard or other non-death company elites, then astorath is best. If it will probably stick close to the death company, then definitely lemartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355713-astorath-or-lemartes-for-supporting-dc/#findComment-5306854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unseen Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 If your planning on deep striking a squad of DC in, lemartes all the way. That reroll to charges can be huge when you roll 3d6 and roll nothing but 1s and 2s. Both are fine if your starting on the table, and as dice mentioned, astaroth can buff other units as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355713-astorath-or-lemartes-for-supporting-dc/#findComment-5306880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 *If you're planning on deep striking a squad of DC together with another unit, then Lemartes all the way. If you roll a 4+ on at least one of the charge dice then using 1CP to re-roll the other is statistically better than using a full re-roll from Lemartes so it's only really important if you roll abyssmal or if you have 2+ units to charge with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355713-astorath-or-lemartes-for-supporting-dc/#findComment-5306949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 I've been bringing Astorath because he allows DC to ignore morale. In my vanguard detachment I run 10 DC in a rhino, and a 9-15 man squad with JPs. I usually forlorn fury the DC and UWoF Astorath to get him beside them. Both Lemartes and Astorath have their places as has been said previously. Astorath just gives extra bonuses to things like your vanguard vets, and Sanguinary Guard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355713-astorath-or-lemartes-for-supporting-dc/#findComment-5307032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 I normally run DC with Lemartes and I have never regretted taking him. For 100 points he packs a serious wallop and buffs DC very well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355713-astorath-or-lemartes-for-supporting-dc/#findComment-5307062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-dog1996 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 If they are starting on the table, probably Astorath as he can buff other stuff too, but Lemartes will work fine. If you're planning on deep-striking them, Lemartes no question. Fury Unbound trumps all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355713-astorath-or-lemartes-for-supporting-dc/#findComment-5307381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoulius Posted May 5, 2019 Author Share Posted May 5, 2019 I personally only used the new deep strike mechanic so far because I like that its guarranteed to land now. But must say that if the charge doesent land they are in some deep trouble I must say I kind of dident consider letting them start on the table I feel they would just get shot at to much... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355713-astorath-or-lemartes-for-supporting-dc/#findComment-5307918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 I personally only used the new deep strike mechanic so far because I like that its guarranteed to land now. But must say that if the charge doesent land they are in some deep trouble I must say I kind of dident consider letting them start on the table I feel they would just get shot at to much... You can always Forlorn Fury them out of LOS or if you are going first it's a free move to set a turn 1 charge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355713-astorath-or-lemartes-for-supporting-dc/#findComment-5307966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoulius Posted May 6, 2019 Author Share Posted May 6, 2019 Fair point. I hadent considered that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355713-astorath-or-lemartes-for-supporting-dc/#findComment-5308057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 After the FAQ you are able to now chant 'mass of doom' to give a unit +1 to hit and then use 'upon wings of fire' to re-deploy them and retain the buff. Pre faq the buff would be lost in the warp. Astorath has a ton of play now :) Especially vs aggressive armies since you can potentially be hitting on 2s with most of your army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355713-astorath-or-lemartes-for-supporting-dc/#findComment-5309514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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