BitsHammer Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 So GW has possibly dropped a big hint of a new Daemons book in the chute with the Contorted Epitome. How? Well, the magic mirror doesn't come with points and tells you to consult the codex. This is (by my speculation) likely to be caused by it still be in playtesting when the packaging materials had to go into production. I suspect that there was a bit of a messed up involving the release schedule for it though as it should have come out with the Hedonites book in order to have the rules and points ready on release. So it looks like the new Daemons should be coming relatively soon (this year at least) and the GW team still owes us a points cost for the Epitome (some have already reached out on Facebook and the staff have reached out to the Rules team for the points value). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Possible, or they simply screwed up the datasheet while editing and left out the part with the point costs. I won't hold my breath for a new Codex and even less for a new Codex with something as awesome as depravity points or such. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5307413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 5, 2019 Author Share Posted May 5, 2019 Possible, or they simply screwed up the datasheet while editing and left out the part with the point costs. I won't hold my breath for a new Codex and even less for a new Codex with something as awesome as depravity points or such. ^^It's less of a small editing screw up when it specifies the codex verbatim and isn't just left pointless. I'm guessing sometime before Sisters we'll have a 2.0 codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5307447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandTHTG Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 A 2.0 codex makes sense, with all the updates needed for Khorne and Slaanesh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5307454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraken Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 If we are lucky they will use this opportunity to overhaul summoning and/or fix the codex... But who am I kidding, it will be like the Codex CSM 2.0 with no substantial change and merely a few datasheets added. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5307487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 5, 2019 Author Share Posted May 5, 2019 I would hope for some changes, but expect just a small update of datasheets and lore just in case. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5307488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulfast Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 I hold my thumb for a new codex with some new and fun changes that will help us on the battletable Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5307521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Indeed, while it could always be a classic GW foul up it seems plausible to me. Unfortunately like the C:CSM book it won't be a buy from me as I already have the codex - what I'd really like to see is some positive changes but I guess we can have FAQs for them. Daemons (specifically Slaanesh for me) have had some good improvements that have helped out a lot (remember 9pt Daemonettes..? I'm trying to forget too :P ) so I'm holding out hope for more soon :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5307582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 5, 2019 Author Share Posted May 5, 2019 Found a full shot of the English Datasheet. Top section says to go look in your codex: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5307612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sersi Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 I'm calling it now: no rules changes beyond datasheets for the new units. Then few nerfs, "Fiends stopping fallback is to strong, it shouldn't be guaranteed make it an LD roll". Then if we're very lucky some random points drops. More seriously, if it happens I expect we'll get a Herald option for the Hellflayer, Seeker Chariot, and Exalted Chariot like AOS just got. The chariot kit was always meant to represent a Herald so we may get the "Bladebringer". We'll might get updated rules for Masque since she's got a new model, and is so lack luster compared to the new HQ's and even basic Heralds now. If we do get a new codex hopefully we finally get a new plastic foot Herald to replace the awful resin one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5307948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 6, 2019 Author Share Posted May 6, 2019 I can see the datasheet one but they might quitely shuffle the resin foot Herald away and tell us that it's been replaced by the Enrapturess or something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5307957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeStinyFiSh Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 I think there are 9 Datasheets that have been added or have been changed since to Codex release plus nearly every unit has seen a point cost change. KaranakCrusherBloodhoundsBlood AltarEnrapturesKoSEpitomeSyll EsskeFiends Maybe the Slaanesh Terrain will see rules as well as it is only AoS at the moment, isn't it? I am not sure how much has been added to CSM 2.0, but I think this should be enough to legit a Codex Daemons 2.0. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5308085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraken Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 I think there are 9 Datasheets that have been added or have been changed since to Codex release plus nearly every unit has seen a point cost change. Karanak Crusher Bloodhounds Blood Altar Enraptures KoS Epitome Syll Esske Fiends Maybe the Slaanesh Terrain will see rules as well as it is only AoS at the moment, isn't it? I am not sure how much has been added to CSM 2.0, but I think this should be enough to legit a Codex Daemons 2.0. Don't forget the named KoS. Unless I forgot something, CSM 2.0 had the following datasheets changed/added: Abaddon Haarken Worldclaimer Lord Discordant Master of Possession Master of Execution Dark Apostle Dark Disciples Greater Possessed Obliterators Havocs Venomcrawler Noctilith Crown +Dark Apostle prayers +Malefic Discipline +Reaper chaincanon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5308117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 I'm thinking we might not see a Chaos Daemons Codex 2.0 until the Tzeentch Terrain piece comes out, as it's now the only thing missing, then they can put everything for Daemons in it without having to update the Codex with another Datasheet. Well, that's just my thoughts anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5308233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 6, 2019 Author Share Posted May 6, 2019 With how they do rules updates a Tzeentch terrain peice could just be in the next chapter approved. We have to remember their lead times on some projects are massive and that leads to deadlines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5308255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 It's actually amazing to think that we are already halfway to the next Chapter Approved again. The first half of the year always goes by so fast lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5308271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Has anyone emailed GW yet to find out the points? This is an omission on their part that should be swiftly dealt with I'd have thought *eyeballs obliterators* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5308844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 7, 2019 Author Share Posted May 7, 2019 Has anyone emailed GW yet to find out the points? This is an omission on their part that should be swiftly dealt with I'd have thought *eyeballs obliterators*The Facebook team was asked and they had to wait until today to get an answer due to Monday being a bank holiday. At the time of my posting there is no further update to the missing points costs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5308850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 I hope all of you guys filled out the annual survey and when asked "what changes to 40k you would like see?" you all answered "fully digital rules". I dont really see how GW can keep doing things the way they currently are. It is just one train wreck after another. Wouldn't it be nice if... -You could pay a monthly subscription fee comparable to the cost of nexflix and get unlimited access to the codicies, campaign books, and whatever else. -rules could updated/corrected on an ad hoc/ongoing basis As it stands right now to play a game I have to bring 2 codicies(csm/daemons), vigilus ablaze, a binder filled with FAQ printouts, the rules cards from the Wrath and Rapture boxed set, and chapter approved. This is of course in addition to models/dice/trays/markers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5308978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 I sure didn't because honestly I buy the physical versions and then just pirate the digital versions anyway (usually only so I can find specific things faster via search function). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5308986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 7, 2019 Author Share Posted May 7, 2019 Digital rules are honestly a pain to deal with and don't mean we'll see anything answered faster. The rules team is still limited in size and unless we have a dedicated team to deal with rules issues, we're never going to see instant fixes on anything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5308998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 We have points! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5309581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Ruminahui Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Yeah! Now I can paint a mirror for ETL. Could you post a link to where that is from? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5309585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 Yeah! Now I can paint a mirror for ETL. Could you post a link to where that is from? Bottom of the article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/08/tactica-daemons-of-slaaneshgw-homepage-post-3/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5309587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 So let's talk lists. My first 250 points is: + Infernal Enchantress -Celerity of Slaanesh -The Forbidden Gem +Daemonettes x10 -Musician -Standard (to upgrade for 1CP yo a Ruinous Standard) +Exalted Seeker Chariot I'm considering doubling it for the next 250 but I haven't committed yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355740-the-contorted-epitome-and-20-speculation/#findComment-5309900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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