Karhedron Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 I have been toying with the idea of getting either a Leviathan or a Contemptor Dread for a while. It is probably old hat to most people but I have just noticed that FW have released a BA specific Leviathan with twin assault cannons on the chest. Combine that with twin Storm Cannons for truly unbelievable levels of dakka. https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Blood-Angels-Leviathan-Dreadnought-2018 FW are also running a deal until the end of May where you get one arm weapon free when you buy a complete Dread (any style). This is serious temptation on my wallet! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 We only have access to heavy flamers in 40k (and yes, the BA Leviathan comes with them). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5307388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostwanted Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Go for it! I love the Leviathan, it's a great model. It also comes with heavy flamers that can mount on the body instead of the assault cannons (the assault cannons can't be used in 40k). I would magnetize them so you can swap between the two depending on what you play. The Blood Angel Contemptor is also a lovely looking model, so I think you would be happy with either! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5307390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas7 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Yeap, even after people swore off FW for the price bump last year this offer has come around again and gotten people back spending, I myself am waiting on the contemptor chainfist to come back in stock and nab both BA dreads. :D but sooo much $ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5307395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted May 5, 2019 Author Share Posted May 5, 2019 Thanks for the info about the assault cannons vs heavy flamers. If enough of us write to FW, I wonder if they will add the option in the next FAQ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5307533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 I already pulled the trigger. One storm cannon, one claw though. Needs to be able to fight in CC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5307601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynnean Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 I already pulled the trigger. One storm cannon, one claw though. Needs to be able to fight in CC. Naaah, you have other units for that! Dont forget to magnetize ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5307898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas7 Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 I already pulled the trigger. One storm cannon, one claw though. Needs to be able to fight in CC. That's what i was shooting for but storm cannons sold out V.V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5307901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 One storm cannon, one claw though. Needs to be able to fight in CC. Naaah, you have other units for that! Dont forget to magnetize Storm cannon +2 assault cannons (in 30k) I thought would be enough. It'll be magged for the other cannon though. 20 shots is hilarious. I already pulled the trigger. One storm cannon, one claw though. Needs to be able to fight in CC. That's what i was shooting for but storm cannons sold out V.V Damn, they might let you still place the order if you call them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5308047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguiniusJr Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 20 shots does work!!!!! It does a pretty good job against TEQs (and below) in my experience!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5308455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 I'm kind of tempted by the Leviathan, but I don't want to put a CC arm on (it has many unique weapons and I have lots of melee units) and I don'y want to double up the same gun - which would you suggest to pair with the storm cannon - the melta lance or the grav bombard? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5308475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephaniah Adriyen Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Already considering building a Contemptor with plasma and claw-type CC weapon. If I do a Leviathan, it'll be first and foremost because I've heard they're disgustingly good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5308553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 The issue with mixing is you're putting brackets on someone you're paying lots for. Grab and melta are 18" which means you have 6inches where you're not firing all your weaponry. So that's wasted shots and time. So if you're going to go "not Storm Cannon", gav flux + melta lance or dbl lance/grav. Their stats are similar with one being more for armor and the other for infantry/monsters. Otherwise you can put a claw/drill and a single weapon. Levi's aren't slouches in melee so it's not a bad idea, just not optimal. Because I'm doing HH, I have two I'm building: one with dbl storm and one with grav + drill. Both are effective in 40k and HH just based on stats. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5308557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted May 7, 2019 Author Share Posted May 7, 2019 Already considering building a Contemptor with plasma and claw-type CC weapon. If I do a Leviathan, it'll be first and foremost because I've heard they're disgustingly good. They can be. The thing to remember is that we are in a post-knight meta. Almost any unit can be taken down if your opponent really wants it dead. With this in mind, take care to run big dreads along with other high toughness targets so that your opponent is forced to split or prioritise his anti-tank firepower. A single Leviathan will not last long, even though it is incredibly tough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5308709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 I ordered mine with the claw because it looked cool, however reading the rules, it doesn't really need the reroll to wound when it's S16 (!) so the better AP and D on the drill is better. BA traditionally had a preponderance for dread support over tanks as they could fight in CC also, which is why I try and give most of my dreads this option, however it may not be the most efficient. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5308754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majkhel Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 I agree, the claw does look cool :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5308780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas7 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 I really dislike the drill, feels too much like GSC taking mining equipment to war except this is an ancient space marine warmachine. Just feels wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5309233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 The analogy for what it feels like using a Leviathan with dual storm cannons is not polite to say in mixed company, but the sailors love it. Just ask LutherMax :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5309248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephaniah Adriyen Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 The analogy for what it feels like using a Leviathan with dual storm cannons is not polite to say in mixed company, but the sailors love it. Just ask LutherMax That scary, huh? So they ARE scary good for the price, then? Good against infantry, or vehicles? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5309250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas7 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 20 S7 ap-1 D2 shots will ping light vehicles to death knock some wounds on heavier and outright massacre TEQ, Storm shields be damned we bring weight of fire. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5309263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 That scary, huh? So they ARE scary good for the price, then? Good against infantry, or vehicles? Storm Cannons are gold against all but the toughest targets. If it is T8 or has a 2+ save then it will have a degree of survivability but even these units will not be immune considering a dual SC Leviathan will be pumping out 20 shots per turn. That level of firepower will even make a Knight pause for thought (especially now their Ion shields have been capped at 4++). 2 SCs will normally put 6 wounds per turn on a Knight. Not the optimal target but not too shabby either. Anything lighter will be reduced to a red mist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5309360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Closet Skeleton Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 I ordered mine with the claw because it looked cool, however reading the rules, it doesn't really need the reroll to wound when it's S16 (!) so the better AP and D on the drill is better. BA traditionally had a preponderance for dread support over tanks as they could fight in CC also, which is why I try and give most of my dreads this option, however it may not be the most efficient. I also went for that option and beg to differ (haven't used it in a game yet since I paused 80% of the way through painting it). Re-rolling to wound is very important when you wound on 2s because you will roll multiple ones at some point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5314481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 I ordered mine with the claw because it looked cool, however reading the rules, it doesn't really need the reroll to wound when it's S16 (!) so the better AP and D on the drill is better. BA traditionally had a preponderance for dread support over tanks as they could fight in CC also, which is why I try and give most of my dreads this option, however it may not be the most efficient. I also went for that option and beg to differ (haven't used it in a game yet since I paused 80% of the way through painting it). Re-rolling to wound is very important when you wound on 2s because you will roll multiple ones at some point. Also valid, especially you roll to wound vehicles now, and it only has 4A! On another note, He's here: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5314539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Closet Skeleton Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 3A, 4A is if you have two melee weapons, dual gun leviathans have 2A. This is dumb but so are most of 8th ed Forge World rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5314607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 3A, 4A is if you have two melee weapons, dual gun leviathans have 2A. This is dumb but so are most of 8th ed Forge World rules. I...completely blanked out that rule. Must be a subconsious nonsense filter. Normal dreads have 4A with one ccw. Anyway... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355741-blood-angels-leviathan/#findComment-5314668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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