Gaz1858 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Hi all, I run Admech and I am planning a small Patrol Det of one Infiltrator squad and a Libby. Admech struggle against units dropping in and charging so the Infiltrators would assist with this. They stop Da Jump, GSC appearing and everything is that correct? The Libby I was planning on running with the Tome of Malcador, Null Zone, Tenebrous Curse and Mind Raid. He may also be the warlord and was gonna use Adept of the codex. For a small Patrol am I using the right Chapter (went for CP regeneration) and are those the best powers for an all comers list? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356002-vanguard-as-allies/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Brilliant. /thumbs up Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356002-vanguard-as-allies/#findComment-5314417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Hi all, I run Admech and I am planning a small Patrol Det of one Infiltrator squad and a Libby. Admech struggle against units dropping in and charging so the Infiltrators would assist with this. They stop Da Jump, GSC appearing and everything is that correct? The Libby I was planning on running with the Tome of Malcador, Null Zone, Tenebrous Curse and Mind Raid. He may also be the warlord and was gonna use Adept of the codex. For a small Patrol am I using the right Chapter (went for CP regeneration) and are those the best powers for an all comers list? If you're going with the Librarian as the warlord, be first warned that this is a little risky. But second, consider the Phobos warlord trait Shoot and Fade. Null Zone is a difficult power to get off reliably, and its short range makes it really risky on positioning. Shoot and Fade not only gives you an escape route, but it also lets you reposition the Null bubble midway through your shooting phase if you want. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356002-vanguard-as-allies/#findComment-5314645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted May 15, 2019 Author Share Posted May 15, 2019 Hi all, I run Admech and I am planning a small Patrol Det of one Infiltrator squad and a Libby. Admech struggle against units dropping in and charging so the Infiltrators would assist with this. They stop Da Jump, GSC appearing and everything is that correct? The Libby I was planning on running with the Tome of Malcador, Null Zone, Tenebrous Curse and Mind Raid. He may also be the warlord and was gonna use Adept of the codex. For a small Patrol am I using the right Chapter (went for CP regeneration) and are those the best powers for an all comers list? If you're going with the Librarian as the warlord, be first warned that this is a little risky. But second, consider the Phobos warlord trait Shoot and Fade. Null Zone is a difficult power to get off reliably, and its short range makes it really risky on positioning. Shoot and Fade not only gives you an escape route, but it also lets you reposition the Null bubble midway through your shooting phase if you want. Nice tactic i like that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356002-vanguard-as-allies/#findComment-5314647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 I don't rate Null Zone either. It requires you to put your psyker in a dangerous position and there is no guarantee you'll be able to cast it, even with re rolls of one dice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356002-vanguard-as-allies/#findComment-5316649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 I don't rate Null Zone either. It requires you to put your psyker in a dangerous position and there is no guarantee you'll be able to cast it, even with re rolls of one dice. Sure, but it is way more fun when it works, plus thanks to shoot and fade you end up being more about to respond if it doesn't go off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356002-vanguard-as-allies/#findComment-5316657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 It’s way better than Death Hex for a Librarian versus a sorcerer. Of course Death Hex is quite reliable for kSons though as Null Zone is reliable for Ultramarines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356002-vanguard-as-allies/#findComment-5316689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted May 19, 2019 Author Share Posted May 19, 2019 Should I be taking a different relic then if Null Zone isnt seen as being too good? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356002-vanguard-as-allies/#findComment-5316702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Should I be taking a different relic then if Null Zone isnt seen as being too good? You can take Might of Heroes instead. It makes the Librarian much better in combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356002-vanguard-as-allies/#findComment-5316764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 It’s also great for say Captains built for melee and T7/8 chassis. Should I be taking a different relic then if Null Zone isnt seen as being too good? You can take Might of Heroes instead. It makes the Librarian much better in combat. Do you really want a Librarian in melee? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356002-vanguard-as-allies/#findComment-5316808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 It's a free power. No need to use it but there might be a moment where 6 Str5 D3 damage attacks might come in useful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356002-vanguard-as-allies/#findComment-5316886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 There's also the option of not giving the Librarian a relic and instead tossing it on someone else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356002-vanguard-as-allies/#findComment-5316935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Libbies tend to be very squishy so I’d be careful what I charge with them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356002-vanguard-as-allies/#findComment-5317077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robofish7591 Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 I would rather use might of heroes on a contemptor or ironclad dreadnought, or even on a land raider or repulsor for the extra toughness. In a pinch the librarian can cast it on himself, but there are probably better targets for the buff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356002-vanguard-as-allies/#findComment-5317093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 It’s also great on Guilliman. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356002-vanguard-as-allies/#findComment-5317094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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