Gorlak Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Hello all! Having picked up Sanguinius and some Paladins at the Weekender, I am keen to return to the days of Heresy! I’ve not played a game in years, but thought I’d put a list together before I start building: ++ Crusade (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [2,500pts] ++ + HQ + Damocles Command Rhino [100pts] Praetor, Legion [155pts]: Blade of Perdition, Combi-Bolter, On Foot . Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour: Terminator Armour Primus Medicae [130pts]: Combi-Bolter, On Foot . Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour: Terminator Armour . Consul . . Primus Medicae . Power Weapon: Power Axe + Elites + Apothecarion Detachment [70pts] . Apothecary, Legion: Jump Pack, Power Armour, Power Sword Crimson Paladins [210pts]: 2x Crimson Paladins, Iliastus Pattern Assault Cannon, 2x Power Fist . Crimson Exemplar: Power Weapons + Troops + Assault Squad, Legion , Compulsory [305pts]: 14x Assault Space Marines, Legion . Additional Wargear: Inferno Pistol (Blood Angels), Power Axe, Power Sword . Assault Sergeant, Legion: Inferno Pistol (Blood Angels), Melta Bombs . . Power Weapon: Power Sword . Standard Wargear . . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Combat Blade Assault Squad, Legion , Compulsory [305pts]: 14x Assault Space Marines, Legion . Additional Wargear: Inferno Pistol (Blood Angels), Power Axe, Power Sword . Assault Sergeant, Legion: Inferno Pistol (Blood Angels), Melta Bombs . . Power Weapon: Power Sword . Standard Wargear . . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Combat Blade Dawnbreaker Cohort [335pts]: 7x Dawnbreaker Legionary, Equinox Power blade Case, 6x Fallen-star Pattern Power Spear, Melta Bombs . Dawnbreaker Champion: Blade of Perdition . Standard Wargear: Artificer Armour + Heavy Support + Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon [405pts]: Dreadnought Drop Pod, Legion . Leviathan Siege Dreadnought: Cyclonic Melta Lance, Heavy Flamer, Iliastus Pattern Assault Cannon . . Leviathan Siege Claw + Lords of War + Sanguinius [485pts]: The Spear of Telesto and Moonsilver Blade ++ Total: [2,500pts] ++ The ideas are pretty straight forward: Sanguinius deploys with the Dawnbreakers and Apothecary Praetorian, Paladins and Primus-Medicae teleport together Assault Squads and Leviathan strike at targets of opportunity. I’ve heard the Damocles is just too good to ignore, but it doesn’t feel entirely thematic with this list. I’m tempted to drop it for more Assault Marines. I would have also liked to have given the Assault Squads Apothecaries, but just can’t afford it at this points level. Any thoughts or suggestions on this list? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356016-returning-to-heresy-with-the-angel-and-day-of-revalation/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0nolith Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Hey there. I would change up a few things. -If you want to run the DoR rite of war, your Praetor needs a jump pack, so he cant be a Cataphractii Terminator. -I really would contemplate about giving the Primus Medicae and Paladin a Dreadclaw. Its 115 points so you may not be able to afford it, but it lets them assault out of them. Otherwise they'll just be there for a turn taking fire. I would also give the Sgt a Granade Harness and a Blade of Perdition. To be absolutely frank, unless you really love them (and I do), I would just scrap the whole unit (including the primus medicae) and take another assault squad instead. -I would forget about the Inferno Pistols on the Assault Squad because they're never worth it unless they're on a Moritat, and Instead of taking power swords, I would just talke all power axes for that AP2. Also, Artificer Armour on sergeants is a must. -Keep the Damocles. Its the best 100 points you can spend if you're running a DoR list. -Finally for the Leviathan, since hes armed with a melta lance, give him a drill if you want to have him take on armour. The claw is great if you're going up against a primarch or a Thanatar, but otherwise its very specialized. And keeping with this theme, it take another assault cannon instead of the heavy flamer if you have the points. Finally you really should give it armoured ceramite unless you want a random melta shot to toast it, and given the fact you're using a pod, its going to be up close to the enemy so that's a thing that's very likely to happen. On expensive units like that, ALWAYS take armoured ceramite. Also if you have points left over, phopex on the Levi is absolutely fantastic. It eats elite units for breakfast. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356016-returning-to-heresy-with-the-angel-and-day-of-revalation/#findComment-5314982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorlak Posted May 16, 2019 Author Share Posted May 16, 2019 Hey there. I would change up a few things. Thank you for the detailed reply m0nolith, I really appreciate it. It must have taken you some time! I'd missed the issue of needing a Jump Pack Praetor. That does imply, unfortunately, that the Paladins and Medicae might have to go from this list. I really like those models! ;) It does free up a lot of points though. I'll make those adjustments you suggest and have a think about the other assault unit that could take the place of the Paladins. A second Leviathan seems a little to 'power-game' than I'd like with this list. Perhaps the Contemptor with jump pack. Regarding the Damocles, I agree rules wise that it should remain. Thematically, I have a bit of a problem with a loud APC trundling along and then the heavens open. I'm wondering about a counts-as conversion to a heavy skimmer or drop pod that serves the same purpose as a Damocles. Perhaps with a unit of recon marines or scouts to sit in it for scoring purposes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356016-returning-to-heresy-with-the-angel-and-day-of-revalation/#findComment-5315164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Legionnaire Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Also, DS doesn't transfer from the Paladins to any attached ICs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356016-returning-to-heresy-with-the-angel-and-day-of-revalation/#findComment-5315499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorlak Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 So I’ve been thinking hard about this list and made several others, including different Rites of War. However, I keep coming back to trying to achieve a list that is centered around the First Sphere units - Dawnbreakers/Sang Guard and Crimson Paladins in particular. As such, I’ve settled on the following list. I’m a little uncomfortable with the Damocles in there, despite how good it is. The idea of a single Rhino rolling up rather diminishes the ‘shock-and-awe’ orbital drop. However, I’m thinking of doing the Rhino up as a real recon tank, in camouflage colours and lots of high gain aerials etc. I considered a grab rhino conversion but can’t find anything suitable. Anyway, the list! ++ Crusade (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [2,995pts] ++ + HQ + Damocles Command Rhino [100pts] Praetor, Legion [165pts]: Artificer Armour, Blade of Perdition, Bolt Pistol, Iron Halo, Jump Pack + Elites + Apothecarion Detachment [120pts] . Apothecary, Legion: Jump Pack, Power Armour . . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Combat Blade . Apothecary, Legion: Jump Pack, Power Armour . . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Combat Blade Crimson Paladins [310pts]: 4x Crimson Paladins, Iliastus Pattern Assault Cannon, 2x Power Fist, 2x Sunset Blade . Crimson Exemplar: Blade of Perdition + Troops + Dawnbreaker Cohort [395pts]: 9x Dawnbreaker Legionary, 3x Equinox Power blade Case, 6x Fallen-star Pattern Power Spear, Melta Bombs . Dawnbreaker Champion: Blade of Perdition . Standard Wargear: Artificer Armour Dawnbreaker Cohort [395pts]: 9x Dawnbreaker Legionary, 3x Equinox Power blade Case, 6x Fallen-star Pattern Power Spear, Melta Bombs . Dawnbreaker Champion: Blade of Perdition . Standard Wargear: Artificer Armour + Fast Attack + Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod [115pts]: Frag Assault Launchers + Heavy Support + Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon [455pts]: Dreadnought Drop Pod, Legion . Leviathan Siege Dreadnought: Armoured Ceramite, Cyclonic Melta Lance, Iliastus Pattern Assault Cannon, Iliastus Pattern Assault Cannon, Phosphex Discharger . . Leviathan Siege Claw Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon [455pts]: Dreadnought Drop Pod, Legion . Leviathan Siege Dreadnought: Armoured Ceramite, Cyclonic Melta Lance, Iliastus Pattern Assault Cannon, Iliastus Pattern Assault Cannon, Phosphex Discharger . . Leviathan Siege Claw + Allegiance + Legion and Allegiance: IX: Blood Angels, Loyalist Rite of War: The Day of Revelation + Lords of War + Sanguinius [485pts]: The Spear of Telesto and Moonsilver Blade ++ Total: [2,995pts] ++ An alternative is swap a Leviathan with a Paladin unit and Dreadclaw. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356016-returning-to-heresy-with-the-angel-and-day-of-revalation/#findComment-5319080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorlak Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 This was an altogether different take on the list, using the Angels Wrath RoW. The main issue with this list is probably the lack of anti-armour:++ Crusade (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [3,000pts] +++ HQ +Chaplain [115pts]: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Jump Pack. Chainsword or Combat Blade: Combat Blade. Consul. . Chaplain: Power Axe+ Elites +Apothecarion Detachment [120pts]. Apothecary, Legion: Jump Pack, Power Armour. . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Combat Blade. Apothecary, Legion: Jump Pack, Power Armour. . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Combat Blade+ Troops +Dawnbreaker Cohort [395pts]: 9x Dawnbreaker Legionary, 3x Equinox Power blade Case, 6x Fallen-star Pattern Power Spear, Melta Bombs. Dawnbreaker Champion: Blade of Perdition. Standard Wargear: Artificer ArmourDawnbreaker Cohort [395pts]: 9x Dawnbreaker Legionary, 3x Equinox Power blade Case, 6x Fallen-star Pattern Power Spear, Melta Bombs. Dawnbreaker Champion: Blade of Perdition. Standard Wargear: Artificer ArmourTactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [240pts]: Bolters, 14x Tactical Space Marines, Legion. Additional Wargear: Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Nuncio-vox, Vexilla, Legion. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Bolter, Power FistTactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [240pts]: Bolters, 14x Tactical Space Marines, Legion. Additional Wargear: Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Nuncio-vox, Vexilla, Legion. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Bolter, Power FistTactical Support Squad, Legion Plasma Gun [175pts]: Plasma gun, 4x Space Marines, Legion, Support Squad. Sergeant, Legion: Bolt Pistol, Plasma GunTactical Support Squad, Legion Plasma Gun [175pts]: Plasma gun, 4x Space Marines, Legion, Support Squad. Sergeant, Legion: Bolt Pistol, Plasma Gun+ Fast Attack +Storm Eagle Assault Gunship, Legion [225pts]: Tempest Rockets x 4, Twin-linked Multi-Melta, Vengeance LauncherStorm Eagle Assault Gunship, Legion [225pts]: Tempest Rockets x 4, Twin-linked Multi-Melta, Vengeance Launcher+ Heavy Support +Fire Raptor Gunship, Legion [210pts]. Four wing-mounted:: Tempest Rockets. Two Independent Ball Turret-mounted:: Reaper Autocannon Battery+ Allegiance +Legion and Allegiance: IX: Blood Angels, LoyalistRite of War+ Lords of War +Sanguinius [485pts]: The Spear of Telesto and Moonsilver Blade++ Total: [3,000pts] ++ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356016-returning-to-heresy-with-the-angel-and-day-of-revalation/#findComment-5319090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorlak Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 I have one other iteration on the list, this time using the Orbital Assault RoW: ++ Crusade (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [3,000pts] ++ + HQ + Chapter Master Raldoron [180pts]: Artificer Armour Master of Signal [115pts]: Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, On Foot, Volkite Serpenta . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Combat Blade . Consul . . Master of Signal + Elites + Apothecarion Detachment [135pts] . Apothecary, Legion: None (Infantry, Power Armour), Power Armour . . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Combat Blade . Apothecary, Legion: None (Infantry, Power Armour), Power Armour . . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Combat Blade . Apothecary, Legion: None (Infantry, Power Armour), Power Armour . . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Combat Blade Crimson Paladins [320pts]: 4x Crimson Paladins, Iliastus Pattern Assault Cannon, 2x Power Fist, 2x Sunset Blade . Crimson Exemplar: Blade of Perdition, Grenade Harness Terminator Squad, Legion [260pts] . Tartaros Pattern Terminator Armour . Terminator Sergeant, Legion: Grenade Harness, Pair of Lightning Claws . Terminators, Legion: Pair of Lightning Claws . Terminators, Legion: Pair of Lightning Claws . Terminators, Legion: Iliastus Pattern Assault Cannon, Power Fist . Terminators, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter Veteran Tactical Squad, Legion [250pts]: 9x Bolt Pistol, 7x Bolter, 6x Chainsword, 2x Meltagun, Nuncio-vox, 3x Power Axe, 9x Veteran Space Marines, Legion, Veteran Tactics: Weaponmasters, Vexilla, Legion . Veteran Sergeant, Legion: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Axe + Troops + Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [215pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion . Additional Wargear: Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Nuncio-vox, Vexilla, Legion . Drop Pod, Legion . Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Bolter, Melta Bombs . . Power Weapon: Power Sword Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [215pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion . Additional Wargear: Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Nuncio-vox, Vexilla, Legion . Drop Pod, Legion . Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Bolter, Melta Bombs . . Power Weapon: Power Sword Tactical Support Squad, Legion Plasma Gun [210pts]: Plasma gun, 4x Space Marines, Legion, Support Squad . Drop Pod, Legion . Sergeant, Legion: Bolt Pistol, Plasma Gun + Fast Attack + Storm Eagle Assault Gunship, Legion [265pts]: Armoured Ceramite, Hellstrike Missiles x 4, Twin-linked Multi-Melta, Vengeance Launcher + Heavy Support + Fire Raptor Gunship, Legion [230pts] . Four wing-mounted:: Hellstrike Missiles . Two Independent Ball Turret-mounted:: Reaper Autocannon Battery Heavy Support Squad, Legion Ilastus Pattern Assault Cannon [195pts]: Iliastus Pattern Assault Cannon, Space Marines, Legion, Space Marines, Legion, Space Marines, Legion, Space Marines, Legion . Drop Pod, Legion Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon [410pts]: Dreadnought Drop Pod, Legion . Leviathan Siege Dreadnought: Cyclonic Melta Lance, Heavy Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Phosphex Discharger . . Leviathan Siege Drill + Allegiance + Legion and Allegiance: IX: Blood Angels, Loyalist Rite of War: Orbital Assault ++ Total: [3,000pts] ++ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356016-returning-to-heresy-with-the-angel-and-day-of-revalation/#findComment-5319500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Legionnaire Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 This was an altogether different take on the list, using the Angels Wrath RoW. The main issue with this list is probably the lack of anti-armour: ... Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [240pts]: Bolters, 14x Tactical Space Marines, Legion . Additional Wargear: Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Nuncio-vox, Vexilla, Legion . Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Bolter, Power Fist Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [240pts]: Bolters, 14x Tactical Space Marines, Legion . Additional Wargear: Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Nuncio-vox, Vexilla, Legion . Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Bolter, Power Fist Tactical Support Squad, Legion Plasma Gun [175pts]: Plasma gun, 4x Space Marines, Legion, Support Squad . Sergeant, Legion: Bolt Pistol, Plasma Gun Tactical Support Squad, Legion Plasma Gun [175pts]: Plasma gun, 4x Space Marines, Legion, Support Squad . Sergeant, Legion: Bolt Pistol, Plasma Gun + Fast Attack + Storm Eagle Assault Gunship, Legion [225pts]: Tempest Rockets x 4, Twin-linked Multi-Melta, Vengeance Launcher Storm Eagle Assault Gunship, Legion [225pts]: Tempest Rockets x 4, Twin-linked Multi-Melta, Vengeance Launcher ... Apparently you're aiming to put the Tacs and the Plasma Supports in the Eagles ? Well, that won't be possible. The Storm Eagle has a transport capacity of 20 models, but it isn't a super-heavy, so it can still only transport one unit (plus attached ICs). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356016-returning-to-heresy-with-the-angel-and-day-of-revalation/#findComment-5319504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0nolith Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 I like the first list, but my biggest issue is that you only have two units that can capture objectives (the Paladins can’t capture), and that’s a serious issue at 2k, not to mention 3k. Couple of notes on all of the lists. -Always, ALWAYS take artificer armour on the sergeants and apothecaries they can take it (and apothecaries can’t if they have a jump pack) -Don’t bitter with the lightning claws on the Terminators, they are very overpriced. Give them power axes, fists or chainfists. Also for that matter, I’m not a big fan of the assault cannons on the termites, especially the Paladins since they’ll be in cc as soon as they drop. -Your third list’s Levi doesn’t have armoured ceramics. This is a must take. -Orbital assault armies are a blast, the first two or three times, then they get a little boring. Full disclosure Iv never played one, but this is what I heard from many Heresy players. -Your Tactical And Support squads can’t share a Storm Eagle. One unit per transport unless it’s a LoW. -Chaplins can’t take Rites of war. -If Your character can take it, always take the Blade of Perdition, aka, The Blade of Salty Tears. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356016-returning-to-heresy-with-the-angel-and-day-of-revalation/#findComment-5319510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorlak Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 m0nolith and Unknown Leginnaire, thank you both for the feedback. Looks like I got a fair bit wrong, especially the Angels Wrath list! That'll teach me for playing with Battlescribe while drinking whiskey! I'll scrap the Angels Wrath list altogether. I'll tweak the Orbital Assault list to include more Artificer Armour, where possible. For the Day of Revelation list, two Leviathans is clearly excessive, and I have the problem of too few units for capturing objectives. Therefore, how about swapping the Leviathan for two 10-man Tactical squads in Drop Pods? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356016-returning-to-heresy-with-the-angel-and-day-of-revalation/#findComment-5319525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0nolith Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 m0nolith and Unknown Leginnaire, thank you both for the feedback. Looks like I got a fair bit wrong, especially the Angels Wrath list! That'll teach me for playing with Battlescribe while drinking whiskey! I'll scrap the Angels Wrath list altogether. I'll tweak the Orbital Assault list to include more Artificer Armour, where possible. For the Day of Revelation list, two Leviathans is clearly excessive, and I have the problem of too few units for capturing objectives. Therefore, how about swapping the Leviathan for two 10-man Tactical squads in Drop Pods? Cant take drop pods in a DoR list, only in Orbital Assault lists. Welcome to Heresy ;) Also, 2 Leviathans really isn't excessive. Leviathans are really dependent on that 4++, they can absolutely own a game or they can die turn 1 from a lucky lascannanon shot. I'v experienced both of those things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356016-returning-to-heresy-with-the-angel-and-day-of-revalation/#findComment-5319548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorlak Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 Damn it! Getting the abilities of the different lists mixed up! Hmmm. Therefore the only thing I can think to do with the RoW list is to split the 2x10 Dawnbreakers into 4x5 squads. Sanguinius and the Praetor with one each, Apothecaries with one each. I considered dropping the Paladins, but I’d really like them in the list and the Dreadclaw is needed as the required Fast Attack choice. An alternative I suppose could be drop the Paladins and Dreadclaw, swap in a Storm Eagle and Tactical Squad? Not really my preference as I’d like to go for a First Sphere only theme. Tricky! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356016-returning-to-heresy-with-the-angel-and-day-of-revalation/#findComment-5319598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Legionnaire Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Splitting the Dawnbreakers is a huge risk, even with their 2+ and FnP they'll be shot to cinders rather quickly, when only 5 strong. Given the choice, I'd go with DoR over OA or AW any day. Hmm, not being 100% sure on your final visualization of what you'd like your list to contain, but fielding two Leviathans plus Sanguinius in 3k pts. shouldn't really impose much of a problem. But ... and that's a big but ... they'll be eating up half of your points allowance, thus crippling your number of scoring units quite considerably. For Example: Blood Angels, DoR: Legion Chaplain w. Artificer Armour, Jump Pack, Crozius, Refractor and Melta Bombs Damocles Command Rhino Dawnbreaker Cohort x 9, Blade of Perdition, Melta Bombs, 3x Equinox. Dawnbreaker Cohort x 9, Blade of Perdition, Melta Bombs, 3x Equinox. 2 x Legion Apothecary w. Jump Pack Crimson Paladins x 5, Blade of Perdition, Power Axes, Grenade Harness, 1x Assault Cannon Dreadclaw Drop Pod Leviathan w. Drill & Melta Gun, Snippy Claw & Melta Gun, Phosphex, Ceramite Dreadnought Drop Pod Leviathan w. 2x Cyclonic Melta Lance, Ceramite Dreadnought Drop Pod Vet Tacs x5, Artificer, Power Fist, Assault Cannon, 3 Combi Weapons Sanguinius There, that'll be 3k on the nose. But only three scoring units in 3k points - which would make me feel rather uneasy. That's a matter of personal taste though. I'd prolly swap those Paladins (a unit that kinda feels highly ambivalent about their own battlefield role anyways) for either Legion Terminators (more anti-armour) or a unit of Seekers (blasting things with Prefered Enemy), giving you another scoring unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356016-returning-to-heresy-with-the-angel-and-day-of-revalation/#findComment-5319746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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