BSB Speculation

[Lemondish]

Remind me the cherub thing?

 

My reading of the Simulcrum is that it allows a unit to perform a second AoF when it's already done one; not allow a completely seperate unit to do one when another unit has done one.

 

Simulacrum Imperialis : If a model in this unit has a Simulacrum Imperialis then once per phase you can perform one Act of Faith for this unit, even if you have already performed an Act of Faith in that phase. 

 

Means you can perform an Act of Faith for any number of units with this because they happen outside your normal allotment of one per phase. It could be a second Act of Faith for that same unit, but it doesn't have to be. This is all assuming you have enough Miracle Dice to use, but that brings us to...

 

Incensor Cherub : If this unit has an Incensor Cherub, then once per battle, at the beginning of a phase, that Incensor Cherub can intercede. If it does, that Incensor Cherub is removed from play and you gain one Miracle Dice. Roll two D6 when you do so and select which one to keep. The Miracle Dice you gain can only be used to perform an Act of Faith for this unit, and only in that phase - at the end of this phase, if the dice has not been used, it is lost.

 

This means that, at the beginning of the phase, this unit can utilize their Incensor Cherub and gain a Miracle Dice that you can then use on the Act of Faith available from your normal allotment that phase or your free one allowed by the Simulacrum, but it can only be used for this unit, and only in that phase. 

 

Therefore, you pop the Incensor Cherub at the beginning of the phase to begin this chain of events. For example, if you want to move really far for that turn, you could pop it per unit on the movement phase and get the highest on 2d6 to help you ensure a higher average Miracle dice. If those units also have a Simulacrum Imperialis then they're able to perform an Act of Faith over and above your normal allotment of one per phase. Performing an Act of Faith requires you to replace one or more dice in your roll with Miracle dice, so you can go ahead and replace one for each of your advance rolls per unit. Since you have the Miracle Dice available and the ability to perform an extra Act for each unit then you can score that card real easily. This is also true in any other phase, i.e. in the shooting phase even if you're just replacing one dice per action. 

Edited November 27, 2019 by Lemondish

[Atrus]

So if a unit pops it's cherub and doesn't have a Simulcrum, unless it is the first unit that phase to AoF, then it can't AoF at all?

 

K I see where those are tying in. Still a fair whack of hoop jumping for the sake of a single die if that's the way it does go.

 

Really hoping FAQ comes out 2 weeks after the army box and not 2 weeks after main release next year. Really want to stop flogging this debate and move on.

 

 

Speaking of moving on, I thought I heard somewhere that Celestine can bring back her Geminae now even if they've both been wiped out. Is that true?

[CaptainMarsh]

Speaking of moving on, I thought I heard somewhere that Celestine can bring back her Geminae now even if they've both been wiped out. Is that true?

 

No, she cannot.

 

If anyone has questions I have the book.

[Slasher956]

so Anyone think we’ll see another BSB or is that it?

 

And with its release in to the wild tomorrow ....any chance of any more WHC previews?

 

In a similar vain as the codex will have been out for nearly 2 months when it does go for pre order will WHC do any previews? Would it be with it if they do?

[Lemondish]

so Anyone think we’ll see another BSB or is that it?

 

And with its release in to the wild tomorrow ....any chance of any more WHC previews?

 

In a similar vain as the codex will have been out for nearly 2 months when it does go for pre order will WHC do any previews? Would it be with it if they do?

I'm kind of suspecting we'll see some things from the studio preview this weekend. The Triumph and Battle Sanctum seem very likely, but we could be lucky enough to see some new Zephyrim or Mortifiers pics as well.

[Atrus]

Any idea on how the stratagems that affect characters- like "sacrifice" and "divine intervention" interact with the Geminae?

[CaptainMarsh]

Any idea on how the stratagems that affect characters- like "sacrifice" and "divine intervention" interact with the Geminae?

Divine Intervention calls out named characters, Geminae included, as not being able to be targets. They also may not take Warlord Traits or Relics (obviously). Other Strategems that impact characters otherwise seem to impact them as normal.

[ValourousHeart]

 

 

Speaking of moving on, I thought I heard somewhere that Celestine can bring back her Geminae now even if they've both been wiped out. Is that true?

No, she cannot.

 

If anyone has questions I have the book.

Captainmarsh, can you check the Canoness weapon options?

 

So far a lot of reviews have claimed that the model in the box is holding a Rod of Office, but then follow that claim with the claim that such a load out is illegal according to the data sheet.

 

Instead of just accepting that the model is illegal, I’m starting to think that stick thing she is holding might not be a Rod of Office.

 

Can you let us know what options a Canoness could take if she also has a sword and plasma pistol?

[CaptainMarsh]

The model comes with Power Sword, Rod of Office, and a Boltweapon under the folds of her cloak on her back. I say weapon because of the way the sprue is laid out and model is put together I can't tell if it is supposed to be a Pistol or gun. I'm gonna assume gun. If that is the case, the model is accurate. 

Base: Bolt Pistol and Chainsword.
Option A: Exchange above for Boltgun, Power Sword, Rod of Office. The Rod is not optional.
Option B: Exchange Bolt Pistol for either: Condemnor Boltgun, Pistol list weapon.
Option C: Exchange chainsword for either: Power Sword, Blessed Blade.
Option D: If it is equipped with a Chainsword, it can have either a brazier or null rod.

[Lemondish]

The model comes with Power Sword, Rod of Office, and a Boltweapon under the folds of her cloak on her back. I say weapon because of the way the sprue is laid out and model is put together I can't tell if it is supposed to be a Pistol or gun. I'm gonna assume gun. If that is the case, the model is accurate. 

 

Base: Bolt Pistol and Chainsword.

Option A: Exchange above for Boltgun, Power Sword, Rod of Office. The Rod is not optional.

Option B: Exchange Bolt Pistol for either: Condemnor Boltgun, Pistol list weapon.

Option C: Exchange chainsword for either: Power Sword, Blessed Blade.

Option D: If it is equipped with a Chainsword, it can have either a brazier or null rod.

 

I must be going blind because that 'bolt weapon' under the folds looks exactly like a plasma pistol. Vented barrel, coils on top, etc:

[CaptainMarsh]

Could very well be- I haven't painted mine yet, and I don't have the mini itself with me atm so I am operating on model memory until I get back to the shop tomorrow.

[Progenitor]

Got my despatch notice from my Independent retailer, my box is on its way!!!! 

[1126PLL]

That's a plasma pistol and that's illegal

[Montford]

I'll hold off assembling mine until the FAQ drops.

[Purifying Tempest]

It could also be an Inferno Pistol as well.  Either way, that's a terrible place to put an exchangeable bit, so likely is all one piece.

[tvih]

It's very clearly a plasma pistol on the sprue (which I have on my lap as I type this).

[Closet Skeleton]

Mine turned up despite not getting an email from GW.

 

Its only four sprues so it does look like it could very easily be re-purposed as a start collecting box since in size its about whats in the start collectings split off from shadowspear. Its basically the same as the Primaris vanguard in being one big sprue and two duplicated small ones, though that boxset doesn't have a character sprue unlike the chaos one.

 

Definitely doesn't seem like something you should worry about missing out on. At the price tag it is kind of like being forced to buy a limited ed codex and a start collecting. The lead time on the start collecting box (whatever ends up being in it) will probably be a long time though seeing as how Genestealer Cults still don't have theirs.

[ZaelART]

Emperor be praised, I've got my box. Haven't cracked it open yet as I am now holed up in bed with cold. Damn you Nurgle.

[Commander Dawnstar]

Got mine today too.

 

Minor thing, but I have to admit that it's a little bit deflating that whether you're saving points on your army or not compared to the Beta Codex basically comes down to your ratio of Penitent Engines to Exorcists. Certainly there are minor cuts or additions elsewhere, but that -44 or +45 pretty much cancels out everything else to the other side of the equation. If you were fielding multiple Exorcists before then it's quite possible that you're in the red now and have to drop things rather than getting to bring more toys. Weird feeling to accompany a new Codex.

[Montford]

Just took the PE in the Box and conveted it to a Mortifer.  I already have three pewter PE's so I wanted to try something different :)

[Slasher956]

Got mine today too.

 

Minor thing, but I have to admit that it's a little bit deflating that whether you're saving points on your army or not compared to the Beta Codex basically comes down to your ratio of Penitent Engines to Exorcists. Certainly there are minor cuts or additions elsewhere, but that -44 or +45 pretty much cancels out everything else to the other side of the equation. If you were fielding multiple Exorcists before then it's quite possible that you're in the red now and have to drop things rather than getting to bring more toys. Weird feeling to accompany a new Codex.

Sounds like only a couple of points difference in my list then...with an index character :p

[ValourousHeart]

New from WHC

 

[Atrus]

Nice. That's looks like one hell of a painting project.

Looks like they all went Martyred Lady for the paint job. Would have done each girl in the colour on a different order myself.

 

What's the size of that base? 60mm?

[ValourousHeart]

The PE is on a 50mm, no way that is only a 60mm.  More likely the size of a Redemptor Dread 100mm or possibly more.

WHC also had these to show off.

 

 

[Slasher956]

I’m thinking 2 boxs of the triumph...1 to make up as the triumph and the other to give a short unit of celestians and some war gear/ relic options for canones...plus extra cherubs for my existing metal units & a nice objective tomb for the girls to fight over!

 

As for the repentia... not a fan of the bionic leg or arms/hands....(even on the canoness model)

Edited November 30, 2019 by Slasher956