Taurulf Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Ok so I have been playing imperial fists for years . I am looking for a fresh start and the pull of the chaos gods is strong. I have no idea where to start quite like the idea of a Khorne orientated black legion force . Any advice on where to start or what to buy first model wise . I’ve got the codex on order . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356351-fallen-to-chaos/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlover Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Are we talking competitive play or just game with your mates? I can't help with the first, but for the second? Whatever you think looks the coolest! Also don't forget to grab Vigilus Ablaze if you didn't already, bunch of Chaos goodies in there. Dragonlover Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356351-fallen-to-chaos/#findComment-5324595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnok Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 The "Shadowspear" box might be worth a look. The Vanguard Primaris could be added to your Imperial Fists, but more importantly the Chaos side is a solid start for an army. That is as long as you are not looking for competetive play, in which case other options would be a better beginning. P.S.: You do not "fall" to Chaos, you ascend to it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356351-fallen-to-chaos/#findComment-5324599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Berzerkers! A squad of Berzerkers are good in any army... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356351-fallen-to-chaos/#findComment-5324610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taurulf Posted June 2, 2019 Author Share Posted June 2, 2019 Mostly for just gaming with my mates in local campaigns. Don’t want to be tournament competitive but good enough to hold my own. Mostly against orks and guard Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356351-fallen-to-chaos/#findComment-5324623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlover Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Oh in that case definitely Berzerkers. Stick 'em in a Rhino with a Lord, bomb up the table then mulch whatever they touch. Go chainaxe/chainsword for maximum shredding. Dragonlover Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356351-fallen-to-chaos/#findComment-5324643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taurulf Posted June 2, 2019 Author Share Posted June 2, 2019 Well that’s two suggestions for berserkers I was hoping that would be the case Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356351-fallen-to-chaos/#findComment-5324655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMDR_Welles Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Personally, I would caution with buying the existing Berzerker kit. Its a very old kit, and doesnt really mesh well with the new aesthetic. While it might still be a ways out (year or two), updated World Eaters is on the horizon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356351-fallen-to-chaos/#findComment-5324670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squike Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 I would suggest two squads of berzerkers and two rhinos, as I find with just the 1 rhino it becomes a prime target as they know that what’s inside can shred. Also means you can put a lord in 1 and an exalted champ in the other and make the most of all the rerolls if they make it up together with the 18 berzerkers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356351-fallen-to-chaos/#findComment-5324696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwango Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 I cant help with the gaming aspect but if you like kitbashing/conversions then you may find the following link useful https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/04/03/kit-bash-chaos-space-marines/ I've doing something similar with my berserkers and there are lots of options for combining them with the AoS khorne models. (I agree that the current berserker models are a bit out of date now and pale in comparison with the new CSM releases). The bloodbound kit is pretty reasonably priced as you could sell on what you don't use. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356351-fallen-to-chaos/#findComment-5324763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taurulf Posted June 2, 2019 Author Share Posted June 2, 2019 Ah ok thanks guys , i had thought the current models might be a bit dated . I do like my kitbashing and converting so that link is perfect inspiration!! The two rhinos is a good shout i have suffered before with putting all my eggs in one basket. This is getting interesting I will try and keep this post updated with how I’m getting on in an effort to keep me motivated! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356351-fallen-to-chaos/#findComment-5324768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 If you're interested in making better Berzerkers, I made a tutorial for kitbashing them using Age of Sigmar Blood Warriors, Mark III legs and Marine bits. As to the results of that, I'll let those speak for themselves: They're also quite swole: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356351-fallen-to-chaos/#findComment-5324851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrakul Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 You could also probably get away with the new CSM combined with bloodwarrior/skullcrusher heads, but I don’t believe is has enough chainswords for the lot (though easy enough to use leftover SM parts) but you then have to find a bunch of chainaxes with hands. Gederas put in the work swapping axes for FW chainaxe blades above but Ive seen that coversion done with just their stock axes to save time/money. Does GW still sell the old CSM backpack sprue? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356351-fallen-to-chaos/#findComment-5324947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Herald Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Berzerkers are definitely great. Since most people don't like using CSM squads with pistols and chainswords anyway, you can just run them as Berzerkers. Ideally, you outfit Berzerkers with chainaxe and chainsword which is a little rough with how few chainaxe are in kits. I'm not sure how it would look, but it might be worth getting Berzerker kits just for the axes and heads, though strictly speaking what we think of as "Berzerker helmets" are really World Eater helmets. Black Legion is supposed to be the one other legion that can match World Eaters in the quality of Berzerkers they produce, so Black Legion Berzerkers would make sense with out tthe helmets. I used to run my Berzerkers with a Dark Apostle and Exalted Champion, re-roll failed hits and wounds. With the new Dark Apostle rules, the re-roll hits is not a guarantee, but it is still a 3+, a 2+ if you take Dark Disciples, and a 1+ if you use she Cult of the Damned specialist detachment stratagem. You might prefer the Chaos Lord's re-roll 1s instead though. Personally, I might try 3 units of Cultists, 3 units of Berzerkers, (2 9-man, 1-10 man) all in Rhinos with an Apostle with 1 unit and Exalted Champ with the other, and a Jump Lord. Since Apostle prayers are at the start of the round, you can drop the Lord from reserve or maybe fly him in to help the Berzerkers if the prayer fails. Give the Apostle the Soultearer Portent prayer (give a unit +1 on wound rolls) give the Lord or Exalted Champ (your choice) the BL relic Ghorisvex's Teeth (+2 attacks and mortal wound on 6+ wound rolls) along with Flames of Spite warlord trait (mortal wound on wound rolls of 6+). Use Veterans of the Long War Stratagem and you're looking at 6 attacks on a -3AP 2 damage weapon with +2 to wound meaning a 4+ gets bumped up high enough to add 2 mortal wounds to his attacks. On the Lord, next to the Exalted Champ, you're looking at an average 5.8 hits, 4.4 6+ wounds (after re-roll wounds from Exalted and modifiers) without mentioning the attacks that will still wound but don't trigger the mortal wounds. 8.8 mortal wounds and 4.4 @ 2 damage and -3 AP. He could walk up to a Land Raider and do 14.7 wounds average, then if he's Khorne, do it again. If you want to fill the detachment to a Brigade, add some Fast and Heavy options and some more Cultists or CSM squads. Chaos Spawn are a cheap Fast choice, though Bikes get 4 Bolter shots each at any range even it they moved (14" move) after Bolter Discipline. Venom Crawlers and Oblits are both heavys in the Shadowspear Box and since you can have a 1-man Oblit unit, there's 3 choices there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356351-fallen-to-chaos/#findComment-5324985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnok Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 When it comes to Berzerkers, their background and "who can field them", and modelling options: keep in mind that the World Eater legion was the first to have them, but by now they fight as small warbands. So you can justify them being whereever you want, fighting for literally anybody. For the same reason their appearance can differ wildly. Long story short: whatever you want to use as models for them, it is most likely fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356351-fallen-to-chaos/#findComment-5324999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwango Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 You could also probably get away with the new CSM combined with bloodwarrior/skullcrusher heads, but I don’t believe is has enough chainswords for the lot (though easy enough to use leftover SM parts) but you then have to find a bunch of chainaxes with hands. I have just bought 10 chain axes with right hands from shapeways. https://www.shapeways.com/product/L93WYBGS2/28mm-chain-axe-with-evil-hand-right They are a bit shorter than those in the gw kits but still look good. More of a throwing axe size. Which, thinking about it, I could see an enraged berserker doing in the absence of a pistol to shoot with. The new CSM kit does have enough chainswords and I've cut away the pistols from the right arms so they can take the axes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356351-fallen-to-chaos/#findComment-5325049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taurulf Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 If you're interested in making better Berzerkers, I made a tutorial for kitbashing using Age of Sigmar Blood Warriors, Mark III legs and Marine bits. This is handy as I have an excess of fw mk 3 legs!! The blood warriors do look great on these dude!@ doom breed thanks that seems like a solid base I have managed to order the chaos side of shadowspear and the vigilus ablaze from our friendly neighbourhood eBay. Definitely got enough on the way to get my teeth into. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356351-fallen-to-chaos/#findComment-5325164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMDR_Welles Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 When it comes to Berzerkers, their background and "who can field them", and modelling options: keep in mind that the World Eater legion was the first to have them, but by now they fight as small warbands. So you can justify them being whereever you want, fighting for literally anybody. For the same reason their appearance can differ wildly. Long story short: whatever you want to use as models for them, it is most likely fine. If I ever add any to my Black Legion, I'll probably just use the new CSM kit and give them all Bolt Pistols and Chainswords. I'd just paint one of their arms Red or something Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356351-fallen-to-chaos/#findComment-5325178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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