Lord Raven 19 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Oh, boy have I missed a lot of models. (I started in 2017) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5329419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephaniah Adriyen Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 I'd second the mentions of the old death company. The plastics are decent models but they really do have a lot of bling. Good for a chaplain or a character or dliuted across a few models but my mental image of the DC is still simply black-painted armour and simple red saltires. To be fair, you can take a squad of Assault Marines and a squad of Death Company to make 10 diluted Death Company, and it isn't even hard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5329424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkaniss Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Almost forgot this guy. There are some really great old classic models. While still products of their time (and technology) they have their own charm Edit: strange double post!? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5329674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019  the Dark Vengeance Dark Apostle  I may be having a brain fart, but there wasn't a Dark Apostle in Dark Vengeance, only the Chaos Lord with the big cloak and sword, and a squad of Chosen. Do you mean the Chosen Champion that came with a power maul? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5329684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Casman Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 As I recall, the special edition of Dark Vengeance had a Dark Apostle in it, Leif. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5329727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 I dunno, the special edition I got back in the day had a DA Chaplain, not a Chaos Marine. Â That said, I would actually agree that the DV Maul Champion makes a better Apostle than either of the produced Apostle minis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5329732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to Darkness Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 The current Apostle is nasty, looks like the books a toastie maker leaking cheese. The previous one was far better.  The old Blood Angels Captain above is another mini that still looks good even now, may be a bit small but still a timeless classic. As was the Dark Angel and Space Wolf Captains from the same era. The 'Gigeresque' Chaos Dreadnought from 1st ed looks much better than the Helbrute, and I think the RTB01 kit is better than the Primaris stuff, but thats more down to aesthetics than actual detail of sculpt.  Some of the RoC era Marines imho are better than the Chaos stuff, they looked chaotic, not just spiky boys, like the Tzeentch renegade with fungus body, most of the Plague Marines and a fair few of the Slaaneshi sculpts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5329741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Casman Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 I dunno, the special edition I got back in the day had a DA Chaplain, not a Chaos Marine. Â That said, I would actually agree that the DV Maul Champion makes a better Apostle than either of the produced Apostle minis. Hmmm, I wonder what I'm thinking of then. Oh well, not a big issue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5329744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbienw Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Yeah there was no Dark Apostle in the Dark Vengeance set. A later version of it had the Aspiring Champion model included. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5329746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elzender Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Â I dunno, the special edition I got back in the day had a DA Chaplain, not a Chaos Marine. Â That said, I would actually agree that the DV Maul Champion makes a better Apostle than either of the produced Apostle minis. Hmmm, I wonder what I'm thinking of then. Oh well, not a big issue. I think the 7th ed reissue of the Dark Vengeance box came with the aspiring champion previously released as a clampack (the one that was also released with a few cultists in a box). Maybe you're thinking about that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5329749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Casman Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Aye, the Aspiring Champion is probably the dude I'm thinking of. How odd to confuse the two. Â Anyway, we've probably gone far enough off-topic on this particular digression. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5329784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 The Eversor Assassin carrying the severed head. Â Sure, the new one is more detailed, but that one just oozed menace. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5329798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schurge Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019   the Dark Vengeance Dark Apostle  I may be having a brain fart, but there wasn't a Dark Apostle in Dark Vengeance, only the Chaos Lord with the big cloak and sword, and a squad of Chosen. Do you mean the Chosen Champion that came with a power maul?  Yeah. I could have sworn he is a Dark Apostle but I just looked in the Crimson Slaughter Codex and he is just listed as a champion. It is still possible that fluff wise he did fulfill that roll but I don't care enough to reread it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5329805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Closet Skeleton Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 I see the Power Maul Chosen Champion from Dark Vengeance used as a Dark Apostle a lot and I'm not sure I've ever seen a finecast one that wasn't the 'eavy metal display model. My Dark Apostle is the DV chaos lord with a weapon swap. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5329864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Ksarkin are better than scions IMHO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5331297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 I find the old EoT wulfen better *designed* than the new wulfen. New ones are better sculpts but the old ones I felt fit what they are better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5331375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StruManChu Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Freaking Typhus. Â *runs away from thread* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5331382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogmagog Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 The original Sicarius with the lightning claws! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5331406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephaniah Adriyen Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 nnnNNNNDESPAAAAAIR, FOR I AM THE END OF DAYS! Â I can officially say, without a doubt, the old Daemon Prince is fire. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5331422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sockwithaticket Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 The metal Power Armour Chaplains which made it to finecast (*spits*) were all better than any of the current plastic Chaplains. Better skull masks and less covered in robes/scrolls/stuff. Some of the new ones have cool design elements, but as a whole don't really really work for me.Old:Newhttp://www.frontlinegaming.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/500185.3.jpgThe Primaris one doesn't even have a proper Crozius! Ksarkin are better than scions IMHO. Yep, the previous spec-ops-ish ones too. Really liked their masks and the way they had loads of gar hanging off them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5331704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbienw Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 Yeah those metal stormtroopers are great, classic mark bedford sculpt from the year 2000 :D Â He did several good minis around that time which are still great now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5331710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magos Takatus Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 Those Chaplains are alright but I really dislike how the Crozius each one of them carries is so thick they can't even hold them properly. That old Terminator Chaplain is gorgeous. I have one of them on my computer desk here now. Great sculpt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5331720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 I like the old Terminator Chaplain and Jump Pack Chaplain but the rest are a no-go for me and I really don't mind the Primaris one. Would be nice if he had a proper Crozius but eh there are worse things out there. An easy fix if you really care about it.The newer Terminator Chaplain is one of the models where GW admitted that they overdid it with bling and one of the reasons why Primaris are starting out so clean looking so they can add bling to characters without them looking like this guy. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5331726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 I think the Primaris chaplain looks really good with the exception of the wonky crozius, the super hard-edged hood (is it made of metal?), and worst of all is how his right foot should be turned out further for the pose he's in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5331816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trench Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 Other then the metal terminator chaplain, the primaris version is probably my favourite of those, especially above the chaplain with the plasma pistol which just looks terrible to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356460-oldoop-models-better-than-their-updates/page/4/#findComment-5331839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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