Dracos Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 ATSKNF is officially . . . useless With all due respect to GW game designers, with the growing number of units that can have a minimum of three, ATSKNF is . . . of no use in the Age of Primaris Rising ;) Truthfully it hasn't been much use in 8th to any Astartes, but this Min3 movement is a nail in the coffin. I really hope the resculpt it into something useful and flavorful in the a 2.0 Codex, maybe something that improves toughness since as a morale modifier it is . . . of no use moving forward. Sorry for the rant, it's almost 4am, maybe I'm missing something, but as a Primaris player I feel cheated . . . a little. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356542-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-is/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 It doesn't really come into play unfortunately. VOTLW and other unique faction abilities are much better. Primaris Astartes suffer horribly from lack of strats, relics, useful psychic powers, powerful chapter traits that impact vehicles and an underwhelming set of unique rules. Bolter discipline was nice but chaos Astartes also got it so comparatively the loyalists are still weaker. Let's hope the new codex arrives soon and has sweeping changes and updates. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356542-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-is/#findComment-5329725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK0SIAN Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 I kind of get the idea the designers of 8th saw morale working very differently and having a much bigger impact in 8th than it has which would’ve made ATSKNF a bit more useful. However they then Proceeded to give every army that should be affected by morale immunity to it and left elite ones to feel its effects. They then also gave everyone enough firepower to simply delete entire units so nobody had to take morale tests anyway. It’s not so much that ATSKNF is a bad rule, it’s that morale and leadership are irrelevant this edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356542-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-is/#findComment-5329767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 It's been nice to have when needed. which was already rare enough to happen, but yeah the more elite primaris units just exagerate the already existing problems of that rule, which are the already good LD, better resilience per model than other infantry and small unit sizes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356542-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-is/#findComment-5329772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 It really only even comes into play when you use 10 man units. Which is pretty seldom because the game's structure encourages you to just take 2 5 man units instead for the same points, and you get a second sergeant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356542-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-is/#findComment-5329804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 It already comes into play with 5 man units as the opponent has to kill 3 models and you have to roll a 6 to fail the moral check without any LD modifier. Just way more rarely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356542-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-is/#findComment-5329808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 But when you roll that 6 it’s nice to have a free reroll Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356542-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-is/#findComment-5329811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Indeed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356542-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-is/#findComment-5329903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 For me it has probably saved 2 models since 8th edition launched... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356542-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-is/#findComment-5330016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Can I have these dice everyone seems to be rolling well with? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356542-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-is/#findComment-5330072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volt Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 It's even dumber for Dark Angels. At most you might only lose one model from a failed morale roll for a 10 man squad. And we get to.... just lose that one guy? Woopdedo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356542-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-is/#findComment-5330074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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