sturguard Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Hey folks, So I wanted some opinions on how to bring my SW up to date- not for tournament play, but simply to be able to go down to the hobby store and play a game and have my units be recognizable and not disrupt the game. I have a huge painted SW army that I started in the early 90's. As I am hitting 50 this year, I really dont do much painting anymore. I can't see well enough and my hands move too much. In fact, I have had trouble assembling models as well. At this point I am considering hiring a guy to do a few models for me. I have a feeling GW is going to gradually phase out normal marines and everything will be primaris- I don't want to debate on this fact, that isnt what the thread is about. Given I have spent about 30 years married to GW, humor me and allow me my opinion. SO- I was going to use my grey hunters as Intercessors, I mean there shouldnt be a huge leap there correct, they both have bolters of sorts. However I was thinking of adding a sergeant intercessor to lead the 4 grey hunters? Then to potentially field 3 squads I just need 3 primaris painted. Hellblasters I was going to use my grey hunters with plasmaguns. I have 3 grey hunters with plasmaguns now and kind of in the same vein, I could have 1 grey hunter with plasmagun painted and 1 primaris sergeant painted? Or do I even need to do that? Could I get away with a unit of 5 grey hunters with plasmaguns (As I have a metal guy with a plasma as well). I mean you can't field a SW squad of all plasmaguns so the only real conclusion would be hellblasters correct? Could SW scouts with snipers be eliminators? I mean no one that I know of fields SW scouts with sniper rifles, you just dont see it. Again, my opinion would be if I told one of you, hey these are eliminators (and we werent playing in a tourney) it wouldnt be hard to keep up with? Any suggestions would be appreciated. I don't harbor any ill will against GW, they are a company, they have to make a profit to survive, however, I have fed GW a steady stream of revenue for 30 years, I just can't justify that anymore, but would also like to continue to play in a fairly competitive setting. What are your thoughts to shaping up my units in a fairly cheap manner. Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356874-how-to-bring-my-space-wolves-up-to-date/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 After experiencing kill team i think all marines need 2 wounds I would even consider T5 as the new baseline Terminators should have 2 dice for armor saves against weapons with no AP and discard the lowest Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356874-how-to-bring-my-space-wolves-up-to-date/#findComment-5339275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturguard Posted June 29, 2019 Author Share Posted June 29, 2019 Tigurius, I wasnt really referring to what would make Marines or SW more competitive, I was more referring to how I can make my sw more Count As primaris, since everything is eventually going that way anyways. How with minimal effort can I represent my old school marines as primaris units. Thanks, Brian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356874-how-to-bring-my-space-wolves-up-to-date/#findComment-5339294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Tigurius, I wasnt really referring to what would make Marines or SW more competitive, I was more referring to how I can make my sw more Count As primaris, since everything is eventually going that way anyways. How with minimal effort can I represent my old school marines as primaris units. Thanks, Brian Ahh totally missed the point then didn't I I have seen people use primaris as regular marines but not the other way around. The models are simply too small. If you are in a "friendly" environment they will probably go with it. I think you are on the right track as well. -Intercessors are just GH -Eliminators are 3 man wolf scout squads -Hellblasters I would go long fangs or something But I mean if you are in a super casual friendly you can do whatever. When i started casual league play i was using empty bases and armless dreadnoughts and nobody cared. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356874-how-to-bring-my-space-wolves-up-to-date/#findComment-5339299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 I think as long as you dont try to run mixed lists, ie grey hunters and intercessors, then your opponents will likely let you do you. Otherwise I would suggest re basing for sure. As the old 25mm bases are a bit small for now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356874-how-to-bring-my-space-wolves-up-to-date/#findComment-5339300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturguard Posted June 29, 2019 Author Share Posted June 29, 2019 Jbickb, Actually when the first primaris started coming out, I had my whole army (well except for my scouts) rebased- so all my grey hunters are on 32mm bases. Honestly I dont see the size between the models as that great, especially if I had one model per unit which was a primaris. SW with their big hair and lots of bits dont seem as small as compared to my 30k MK4 tac squad. Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356874-how-to-bring-my-space-wolves-up-to-date/#findComment-5339303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mactire Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Maybe base your OldMarines on top of the new 32mm bases. This way you can't be accused of modelling for advantage with either height or footprint. Apart from that I can't see a problem, once you'd be playing all Primaris and not a mix and match of old and new. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356874-how-to-bring-my-space-wolves-up-to-date/#findComment-5339403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturguard Posted June 30, 2019 Author Share Posted June 30, 2019 Mactire, All my SW are already based on 32mm resin ruins bases which give them height, again I would guess they are the height of a primaris. My point was, if say I showed up with 4 grey hunters with bolters and a primaris intercessor as a sergeant, would most people be ok with that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356874-how-to-bring-my-space-wolves-up-to-date/#findComment-5339475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStabby Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 I dont know about "most" but as long as you are straight up and just say, hey, Im not replacing 30 yrs of models, these are all Primaris. I'd be ok with it, as others have said, I would avoid mixig and matching though, like dont run one squad of oldmarines as Grey Hunters and another as Intercessors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356874-how-to-bring-my-space-wolves-up-to-date/#findComment-5339483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Twenty-Five-25mm-to-32mm-Hybrid-Ring-Adapters-For-GW-style-bases-Warhammer-40k-/223290713604 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356874-how-to-bring-my-space-wolves-up-to-date/#findComment-5340204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Im not replacing 30 yrs of models, these are all Primaris. I'd be good with this as well. The only sticking point would be whether they actually are as tall as Primaris. If they are not it could be considered modeling for advantage and I'd be less okay with that. It matters for line of sight purposes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356874-how-to-bring-my-space-wolves-up-to-date/#findComment-5340847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturguard Posted July 12, 2019 Author Share Posted July 12, 2019 Claws, Actually, I would guess mine are taller than a primaris as I use resin ancient ruins bases for all my SW. Now if the Primaris were also put on a resin base, yes they would be slightly taller. However, Primaris aren't that much taller, you are probably talking 2-3 mm- do you really think anyone would cry modelling for an advantage over 2mm? In a day and age where a predator call fire all its guns out its exhaust pipe, you think those 2 mm are going to make a difference? I have played in all different environments over the past 30 years of gaming, but I can't imagine anyone baulking at that fact that my models are 2 mm too short. Karack- I actually rebased all my Space Wolves except my scouts, they are all on 30mm ancient ruins resin bases. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356874-how-to-bring-my-space-wolves-up-to-date/#findComment-5346202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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