The_real_Alpharius Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Morning all, Just joined the forum, loads of great content so thank you! I used to play 40k in my teens. I had a blood angel and chaos army. Fast forward 20 years and I’ve decided to start playing again! After lots of research I fell in love with the Alpha Legion (I know booo hiss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356889-starting-%E2%80%9Craven-guard%E2%80%9D-army-adviceideas-and-tactics/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_real_Alpharius Posted June 30, 2019 Author Share Posted June 30, 2019 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356889-starting-%E2%80%9Craven-guard%E2%80%9D-army-adviceideas-and-tactics/#findComment-5339601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 I don't own any, because I hope beyond hope GW will give us a true® scale Guard in the near future (and I have plenty of grey left to focus), but I'm one of those who feel the Loyal32 are a fluffy addition to any Imperium army. I prefer mono-dex usually but am totallt onboard with mixing Imperium factions (assassins, knights, etc) depending on the game environment. If you like Primaris models you're definitely can't be playing Chaos, but you're right about the play style bring similar, so good choice from a modelling and rules standpoint. We each have out own narrative, so while I'm no help fluff-wise, I'm sure all in the Ravenspire will do our best to give you with whatever you might want out thoughts on. Your sample models and army list look at odds with each other? May we assume there are some Leman Russes in the Tank Commander future or is he a one off? Similarly, Shrike is traveling with the Inceptors that aren't in the list? Or dis you mean Inceptors ans type Aggressors? Easy thing to do, the Primaris names tend to get mixed up with a lot of things including themsleves:) You didn't hear it from me but I think you need more dakka and the Stormhawk is going to be a primary target on Turn One so I strongly suggest whatever plan you scheme has that as part of the game plan. As your building your army I might suggest fading the Hawk and Vets out and adding Aggressors ( assuming that it meant Inceptors) that Strike from the Shadows with a Primaris Captain. I also might save Shrike for a bigger point ist and save 45 points and have him as a Jump pack Captain with Lightning Claws. Thats shaky though because Shrike's pretty good for his points and what he does. He's not the murder hobo some characters are but he's rightly priced and saves you CP on the Chapter Master upgrade. Speaking of .... what is you plan for using CP? It's an important resource and needs to be part of your strategy (tactics being something different). The way you have started I'd add a second Guard Battalion in your next 1000 points and keep fine tuning your current game plan Shameless Plug If you have a modelling project your starting, then head over to the Adeptus Astartes sub-forum and pledge one of those Primaris sprues to the cause - right NOW because July it's too late Best Wishes Dracos Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356889-starting-%E2%80%9Craven-guard%E2%80%9D-army-adviceideas-and-tactics/#findComment-5339682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_real_Alpharius Posted June 30, 2019 Author Share Posted June 30, 2019 Mono-dex? Not familiar with that term? Thank you, in my head it would have happened after the Alpha Legion sabotaged the gene stock after Istvaan and used it to help infiltrate :) Yeah sorry for the confusion. I have about 2k of stuff, most of which I bought on ebay. Those just happen to be what has been painted first rather than directly relating to the army. Tank Commander in the Leman Russ is on his own in this list purely because it's only 1k and let me bring a tank in as part of the battalion. Shrike would be with the vanguard vets and come down in my movement phase from up high. They are aggressors and they would deploy 99" further forward using the raven guard strategy to be in range for some daka from turn 1 (hopefully). Th stormhawk will get shot but at -2 for most things? Dark Reapers will hurt a fair bit but I wanted something to counter his flyers and felt it could be a good addition. I've got a few different lists built. My 2k list has another 3 leman russ to give it some real punch! How would you set up a 1k list vs Eldar? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356889-starting-%E2%80%9Craven-guard%E2%80%9D-army-adviceideas-and-tactics/#findComment-5339735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Mono-dex is a short hand term for an army that is 100% drawn from a single Codex. No allies of any kind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356889-starting-%E2%80%9Craven-guard%E2%80%9D-army-adviceideas-and-tactics/#findComment-5340117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Why does the Stormhawk get -2 to be shot at? I assume you’re not trying to use Chapter Tactics with vehicles? I still like your army concept just needs tweaked a bit. I’m not a fan of the Stormhawk. I’d like to run one with my Xiphons but haven’t warmed up to the looks of the model , but for your army it should be good for mobility and lots of dakka. Maybe get a couple Stormtalons for an air wing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356889-starting-%E2%80%9Craven-guard%E2%80%9D-army-adviceideas-and-tactics/#findComment-5340692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_real_Alpharius Posted July 2, 2019 Author Share Posted July 2, 2019 Why does the Stormhawk get -2 to be shot at? I assume you’re not trying to use Chapter Tactics with vehicles? I still like your army concept just needs tweaked a bit. I’m not a fan of the Stormhawk. I’d like to run one with my Xiphons but haven’t warmed up to the looks of the model , but for your army it should be good for mobility and lots of dakka. Maybe get a couple Stormtalons for an air wing? Thanks Dracos. So the chapter tactic only works with infantry and dreads then? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356889-starting-%E2%80%9Craven-guard%E2%80%9D-army-adviceideas-and-tactics/#findComment-5340937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 would be nice if they switch it and give that same buff to Astartes as EVERY OTHER faction (I think ) but yeah for now just infantry and Dreads Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356889-starting-%E2%80%9Craven-guard%E2%80%9D-army-adviceideas-and-tactics/#findComment-5341008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 would be nice if they switch it and give that same buff to Astartes as EVERY OTHER faction (I think ) but yeah for now just infantry and Dreads And Bikes. Worth noting because they are a separate category from Infantry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356889-starting-%E2%80%9Craven-guard%E2%80%9D-army-adviceideas-and-tactics/#findComment-5341344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Corbin Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Dreads are good though. A Venerable can take Twin Lascannons and a Missile Launcher, hit on 2+ (3+ if hard to hit), is T7 with 3+ and 6+ FNP, and Chapter Tactics apply. The Ironclad is great too, and it is T8! Move it up, advance aggressively, and use the smoke launchers for -2 to hit. For anti air Dakka, get a Stalker. They have 2 AA guns that are S7 and Heavy3, also on a T8 chassis. They hit fliers on 2+, but anything without fly on a 4+. But that will still paste eldar infantry. Actually Aggressors, dakka version, are good too. They are very durable with T5 and minus 1 to hit, and pump out a lot of shots if they stand still. Yes, the Harlequin are fast enough to fly around them, but creating no-fly zones is valuable in its own right. Finally Scouts. A squad of 5 with 4 bolters, a missile launcher (Flakk Missile), a Storm Bolter and Chainsword on sergeant, and 5 camo cloaks is a cheap but effective unit. Especially if facing lists heavy on fliers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356889-starting-%E2%80%9Craven-guard%E2%80%9D-army-adviceideas-and-tactics/#findComment-5342007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 My VenDread has 2 twin auto cannons. It's pretty beastly and always punches above its weight class. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356889-starting-%E2%80%9Craven-guard%E2%80%9D-army-adviceideas-and-tactics/#findComment-5345857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_real_Alpharius Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share Posted July 13, 2019 So a little update. I had my second game back on Thursday against Necrons which was 1k vs 1k. My army was: ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [33 PL, 3CP, 455pts] ++ + No Force Org Slot [3CP] + **Chapter Selection** **Chapter Selection**: Raven Guard Battle-forged CP [3CP] + HQ [11 PL, 165pts] + Lieutenants [5 PL, 78pts] . Lieutenant [5 PL, 78pts]: 2x Chainsword, Jump Pack [1 PL, 18pts], Raven's Fury Primaris Captain [6 PL, 87pts]: Master-crafted stalker bolt rifle [5pts], Power sword [4pts] + Troops [22 PL, 290pts] + Intercessor Squad [10 PL, 170pts]: Auxiliary Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle . 9x Intercessor [153pts] . Intercessor Sergeant [17pts]: Chainsword Scout Squad [6 PL, 65pts] . Scout Sergeant [13pts]: Combat knife, Sniper rifle [2pts] . 4x Scout w/Sniper Rifle [52pts]: 4x Sniper rifle [8pts] Scout Squad [6 PL, 55pts] . Scout Sergeant [11pts]: Boltgun, Combat knife . 4x Scout w/Boltgun [44pts] ++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [30 PL, 543pts] ++ + No Force Org Slot + **Chapter Selection**: Raven Guard + HQ [8 PL, 150pts] + Kayvaan Shrike [8 PL, 150pts]: Warlord + Elites [22 PL, 393pts] + Aggressor Squad [6 PL, 111pts]: 2x Aggressor [42pts], Aggressor Sergeant [21pts] . Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets/Fragstorm Grenade Launcher [48pts] Contemptor Dreadnought [8 PL, 145pts]: Combi-bolter [2pts], Dreadnought combat weapon [30pts], Kheres pattern assault cannon [25pts] Vanguard Veteran Squad [8 PL, 137pts]: Jump Pack [1 PL, 15pts], Melta bombs [5pts] . Space Marine Veteran [25pts]: Power fist [9pts], Storm shield [2pts] . Space Marine Veteran [20pts]: Power sword [4pts], Storm shield [2pts] . Space Marine Veteran [20pts]: Power sword [4pts], Storm shield [2pts] . Space Marine Veteran [20pts]: Power sword [4pts], Storm shield [2pts] . Veteran Sergeant [32pts]: Storm shield [2pts], Thunder hammer [16pts] ++ Total: [63 PL, 3CP, 998pts] ++ I deployed one of the scout squads on an objective on my right flank about half way up the table. The second squad with sniper rifles was on my left flank while the rest deployed in the center to take advantage of the captain's re-rolls. Shrike, the vanguard vets and the lieutenant waited to deep strike. It started as a disaster as he got turn 1 which I really needed to do some damage while he was out of range. My mistake in deployment was I probably should I stayed closer to my table edge to maximise the time I could keep the range on him but good lesson learned. Luckily his turn wasn't too bad. He deployed two units (close combat fliers and shooty flyers) to go after my scout squad on my right flank which he wiped out and took the objective. He did two wounds on my dread with his destroyers? But generally ok. In my turn one I stayed defensive I concentrated most of my fire on his destroyers where I killed two using the dread and aggressors (my god 72 shots is nice!!). I killed a few of the basic necrons with the intercessors, that had moved up to the objective on the left flank but not enough to wipe the squad. His turn two he moved the remaining destroyer and the destroyer lord in close to my center and the two flying units also converged on me while he left his units on my left flank in cover on the objective - his lord, a unit of immortals, unit of basic necrons and the cryptek? His shooting left my dread on about 7 wounds and wiped the other scout squad down to on model. My aggressors took some fire but the -1 to hit really helped keep them all alive but the necrons were now pretty much in range so their turn 3 would be painful if I couldn't make a big dent. The big dent came in the form of Shrike and the vanguards. I dropped them behind some cover next to his objective on his back line in the movement phase ready to charge a unit of immortals and get the objective. I was quite behind at this stage, maybe 7-1? So needed a big round to close the gap. In my shooting the Aggressors continued to be my MVP by killing the final destroyer and using their frag grenades to kill a few more basic necrons on my left most objective. Everything else went on the destroyer lord but my opponent made sooooo many invuln saves it was crazy (3+ invuln is very nice). In the charge phase the vanguard vets failed their charge but Shrike and the lieutenant got in and wiped out the immortals. At this point I think the scores were 7-4 His turn 3 saw the destroyer lord charge my dread along with the two flying units after the shot him down to 5 wounds remaining. On my left flank his immortals, lord and cryptek moved into range. He had a poor shooting phase though and nothing else died - The -1 to hit really hurting necrons in this game. In the combat phase he left my dread on 2 wounds and made some more annoying invuln saves on the destroyer lord to stop my retaliation :( We were running out of time so made this the last turn. My dread moved out of combat to allow the intercessors and captain to shoot the destroyer lord while shrike and the lieutenant went after a showdown with the lord and cryptek. In the shooting phase the aggressors wiped out the last squad of immortals and the remaining models in the normal necron squad. Predictably the destroyer lord saved everything I shot at it so remained in play! I wasn't quite in range of the cryptek with my charge but Shrike the little legend killed his lord on the charge! The victory points were a draw at the end but my opponent had very little left so another two turns would have seen me probably wipe out his force. Really enjoying being back and the next game is a 3k game of Alpha Legion/Deathwatch vs Necron Admech! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356889-starting-%E2%80%9Craven-guard%E2%80%9D-army-adviceideas-and-tactics/#findComment-5346626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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