Diocletian Coros Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Hey there, was reading the book "Watcher's of the throne" again (after finishing "Master of Mankind" for the fourth time) and that got me thinking: Wouldn't it be great to have the Sisters back in 40k and really integrate with the Custodes? I have a couple of ideas but I'm curious what ideas and/or hopes you guys have. Here is the stuff from the top of my head: What I'd really like would be some sort of shared keyword mechanic like "Talons of the emperor" or something like that so you can integrate them into one detachment. Also we really need some form of SoS HQ option. Maybe an improved anti-psyker aura / skill or just the basis "re-roll 1s" aura for her fellow sisters. A form of aura that harms and/or weakens daemons and psykers besides the psychic phase would also be great. Maybe something like -1 T or -1 invul save in CC. Admittedly it would maybe be to strong but from a lore perspective it would be nice that the daemons are affected by the presence of the SoS. A couple more unit choices are needed to make them a bit more versatile.Some form of elite sisters with improved CC capabilities and/or improved anti-psyker/daemon aura (see above) would be nice. A form of fast attack choice. Pretty sure there was a kind of jetbike unit teased for the Hrous Heresy. Rules for the Aquisitor thingy and/or another form of (assault) vehicle to deliver the ladies to the front. Some form of different "chapter tactics" would also be very nice. And while we are on it: Would be a nice addition to the Custodes as well. I love variety and having the option of maybe 3+ chapter tactics would make the forces a tat more different. Maybe a cool mechanic that every squad can choose some form of keyword or stance because Custodes are so vastly different and have a different form of waging war. Personally I'd be fine with some form of rule that you need Custodes and Sisters for the troops because if both "factions" would be integrated into one force everyone would only pick sisters for Troops to gain the bataillon CP. Also something like having to pick a Shield-Captain and a SoS HQ to "unlock" all datasheets for your detachment would be okay for me. So what about you guys? Are there any rumors floating around? What do you think about me ideas? Anything to add? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
apologist Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 The things I'd really like to see realised are the more sinister-looking artworks like this: I think these creepy Lynchian concepts better reflect the 'dark side of the mirror' concept of the Sisters of Silence. They'd make it clear that the force is weird and outré; go nicely with the Dune-esque transport they released; and provide a much stronger identity for the army. They'd contrast nicely with the Custodes then, rather than (as currently) being a bit of a sideshow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5341911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairence Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 I just want them to get something. I bring mine in almost every casual game I play. I had hoped Apoc would give them a shared kw with Custodes and that they would finally get a bit of attention. It woulf actually be the main reason for me to invest into some Custodes. I'm afraid that, when Custodes got their FW units made available instead of coming in a shared Talons-book, that was a clear indicator that SoS are not going to be a focus for a long time. I have a feeling that if they get fleshed out, it won't be until Sisters of Battle had their time in the spotlight, due to surface-similarities. Which means there won't be anything until at least next year. I'll keep hoping. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5341953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK0SIAN Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 It was such a missed opportunity to not make the Custodes codex a talons codex instead and include the sisters. I’d love for them to be fleshed about a bit more but right now I’d settle for a simple hq model/rules so I can actually make a detachment of the sisters. In the long term, I don’t really see much prospect of them getting their own codex (there’s just too much stuff you’d have to do/add) so I hope that when the next round of codexes rolls out, they’ll go for a talons option instead of a pure Custodes one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5342827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 In Apocalypse they're Talons I believe, so maybe? Sisters are pretty cool in 40k. Squads with all Flamers are a rare thing and they really do hurt psykers a decent amount. If they do get combined, I really hope Sisters don't just become the cheap battalion option for Custodes, that would be the worst outcome. I'd actually almost want Custodes and Sisters detachments to get their own rules in that case (like the 30k Cadres) and work akin to Dark Eldar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5343265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairence Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 The preview was together with Custodes and named Talons, but they don't actually share a keyword or have a special ability. :-/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5343336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenzaburo Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 I agree with you guys on the missed talons codex chance. I don't understand it either - right now you basically have no real opportunity nor reason to really use the models. Sure, in 30k there is, but in 40k you still need the index, have no HQ and they seem like an afterthought overall. I don't get it - the models are still almost brand-new. Why not incorporate them in the one army they are usually associated with? Nowadays this could be fixed with a WD mini-dex or somewhere in CA, maybe? Give them the chance to use Rhinos, add an HQ, maybe a heavy weapons squad (to help with the Custodes lack of long range firepower) and you're golden - pun intended. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5343859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK0SIAN Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 In Apocalypse they're Talons I believe, so maybe? Sisters are pretty cool in 40k. Squads with all Flamers are a rare thing and they really do hurt psykers a decent amount. If they do get combined, I really hope Sisters don't just become the cheap battalion option for Custodes, that would be the worst outcome. I'd actually almost want Custodes and Sisters detachments to get their own rules in that case (like the 30k Cadres) and work akin to Dark Eldar. If you kept them as elites rather than troops you wouldn’t have the battalion issues so they wouldn’t be used as cheap filler beyond the odd times you’ve got a spare 100 odd points or something. You’re right though, their own rules would be cool, especially as the detachment bonus of +1 to invulnerable saves wouldn’t really be any use, they’d need something else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5343880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diocletian Coros Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 That Dark Eldar detachment idea is very nice. Give them enough choices to fill a detachment on their own and in conjunction with a Custodes detachment they get enough CP to benefit both. Maybe the wording could be so, that you don't need to fill an entire batallion with the golden ones. Because that is really expensive. @kenzaburo: Yeah, exactly. I'm currently building a 5-girl-squad of each (Sword, Bolter, Flamer) to run besides my Custodes. Most of my buddies run Psykers to it should annoy them a little. Also more targets for them to split their fire into. And at the very least they can hold objectives. But I'm under no illusion that it is neither efficient or in any way strong on the battlefield. In 30k the Talons have such awesome rules and they integrate very nicely with the Custodes. In 40k the SoS don't really matter in the grand scheme of things. They units are rather mediocre and there is no good way to include them in an army besides the CP-less vanguard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5344263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenzaburo Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 The tragic thing is, that to couple them with your Custodes army you will rather hamper yourself by messing with CP. That's just dumb. I mean, how are they supposed to be used with no rules to support them in a more legal fashion? Funny enough, that whole problem of Sisters losing their relevance, becoming more and more fringe-y and not being used in combination with the AC is one of the major threads in Wraight's Watchers of the Throne. I'd rather prefer it though, if the rules weren't following the fluff in this case. Even more so as the Gathering Storm was cause for a rebirth of the Talons in that book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5344349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Id hope to see some model support for the 30k list and then see them get rules in 40k, so their HQ choices, Animal Handlers and Transport as new units and some extra weapon options like Axes and Grenade launchers for the existing units.In an ideal ideal world a sprue recut with some of those options and some pose options that arent nightmarish work would be great, ive got 30+ Sisters finished and 15-20 WIP and the repeated poses hurt my eyes so bad! Still, stealing an idea from FB ive seen a solid way to build an Aquisitor out of the new Mechanicus transport (Stick the roof/Turret on the APC version and mess with the guns basically) so i may build a bunch of those and maybe work on 40k rules if i do :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5346271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 I’d love to see a ToftE codex proper with strats and relics for SoS. We need to let GW know. I’d love to have a Krole equivalent too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5346322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningsky25 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 The sad thing is pretty much anything here would be better than how it is right now. My initial thought it that I would at least like to have them as an elites choice inside the codex so they benefit from things like auras and re-rolls and integrate with the army, or be their own seperate troops detatchment that at least grants CP. To have both would feel amazing, but I also don't want to forgo the need for Custodian Guard Troops either. The DE style detatchments that Charlo suggested would be a good fix, but I'm skeptical they'd put that much effort into finding a good balance for SoS and AC. Anyone know what would be the best place to let GW and FW know people are looking for this? I'd love if they provided rules for 30K sisters as well - there's only the pistol sisters and transport so far, but I believe there's more coming, and jetbike sisters of silence would be the coolest thing since . . jetbike custodian guard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5349468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairence Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Their usual feedback email would be the best bet probably. I've also mentioned it in both if their big community feedbacks. From what I understand, they were meant to get their 30k rules when AC got theirs, but somewhere along the way the whole project was shifted from FW to GW and it seems the Sisters were then left hanging while only the Custodes got their rules. So at some point GW must have decided that they're not a priority. I suspect it's because of outward similarities with the Sisters of Battle, who have been a big focus and will have an entire new release this year. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5349588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairence Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Sorry for the double-post. Just wanted to flag the new White Dwarf lore on the Indomitus Crusade. The Sisters of Silence were mentioned briely as being employed to calm warp currents for the Crusade fleets as well as following behind in the Black Ships to collect the tithe of psykers. So at the very least they're not being swept under the rug with current fluff. Makes me hope that they will get attention at some point. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5351999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 My guess is there is a codex of some kind coming eventually. Whether it will add missing 30k units or just bring in new 41st millennium appropriate stuff is anyone's guess Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5352323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diocletian Coros Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 Personally my gut feeling is more on a White Dwarf index kind of deal. But one can hope :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5352667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenzaburo Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Personally my gut feeling is more on a White Dwarf index kind of deal. But one can hope I would even take that, if that's all that's possible. An index with options to create a Talons army and an added HQ for the Sisters. Doesn't even need to be a special miniature, just give us the option to upgrade one of the Sisters Sergeants (don't remember their name) to a ...whatever their leaders are called. Basically an Index Talons or Index Sisters of Silence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5352714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diocletian Coros Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 Personally my gut feeling is more on a White Dwarf index kind of deal. But one can hope I would even take that, if that's all that's possible. An index with options to create a Talons army and an added HQ for the Sisters. Doesn't even need to be a special miniature, just give us the option to upgrade one of the Sisters Sergeants (don't remember their name) to a ...whatever their leaders are called. Basically an Index Talons or Index Sisters of Silence. In doubt there is the Jenetia model one could easy use. It would be so easy: Create an HQ datasheet, give them a couple of Strategems, a relic and a special rule that they can be added into an Custodes force. Like "For each HQ sister you can add 1-3 Sisters Squads" or something like that. Lore-wise it would satisfy my needs for the start but a full blown "Talons" codex would be awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5352769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairence Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Personally, I would like to see a few changes... I'd like their aura to also affect demonic invun saves, like in the Watchers of the Throne fluff. Would give them some additional utitliy and not make them so hyper-specialised. I'd like them to be a bit less squishy. The Culexus changes WS and BS to 6+, why not give the Sisters a permanent -1 to be hit, as a toned down version of that. Add an HQ (maybe a named and an unnamed one) Add at least one Fast Attack choice to their roster. Add a Talons keyword. I'm not really that familiar with their 30k rules or how useful they are in 30k, so I don't know what that would add to their range, apart from some Dual-pistol option and that underground transport. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5353164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher956 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 SoS, add Talons keyword, add this keyword to Custards New rule making the 3 units current units Troops in a Talons force (ie one with a Talons Warlord), Or can be taken as a Vanguard in a non-talons Imperial force Add the 30K character as named HQ Add generic HQ Add an IFV as a heavy support choice add a couple of SoS specific strats scrap/update the custards codex and replace with Talons codex Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5353209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 The Sisters are popular, but a niche faction (both in lore and application on the table). I truly believe they'll get their time in the sun eventually, just not for a while. We had the FW book planned but clearly behind-the-scenes stuff has put that on ice (with Cyraxus, sleep well sweet prince ) for the time being or maybe forever. GW aren't stupid, I think we'll see a combined push in 30k/ 40k for them when its time for new models to roll around. Though i'd be intrigued to see what they do, GW haven't done a full new army release for 40k in a long time. Even GSC was over two large waves across two editions. My hope is a release akin to new factions in Age of Sigmar, taking an old core of models (in the case the Sisters kit) and adding in LOADS of new stuff to make it a full faction, which most likely means: A few HQ Clampacks Vehicle Dual Kit (transport/ gun boat) A "Cavalry" dual kit (basically non infantry), maybe beast handlers/ bikers Elite Infantry kit Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5353322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairence Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 So the Psychic Awakening trailer shows the symbol of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica, which is a keyword our ladies have. Hopefully, an expansion to psychic shenanigans will see a likewise expansion to anti-psykers and the Inquisition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5360707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenzaburo Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Huh, didn't realise that. Would be a nice opportunity to do something with them and maybe the =I= overall. But I don't hold my breath for it, tbh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356962-thoughts-and-wishes-for-tote-sisters-of-silence/#findComment-5360820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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