Sete Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 Could be a typo. Could be 2 rules. Jumping the gun, lithanies of faith could apply to BT and battle to other less religious chapters. That's what springs to my mind at least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 Could be a typo. Could be 2 rules. Jumping the gun, lithanies of faith could apply to BT and battle to other less religious chapters. That's what springs to my mind at least. Definitely sounds plausible. We shall see next weekend once the first video reviews hit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 Path of least resistance tells me litanies of battle and litanies of faith are the same thing. I really don't see them sticking things in the main codex not open to most, if not all, of the chapters. sort of defeats the purpose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 What Reinhard says. I hope the doctrines let you modify your force with bonuses to shooting/punching/surviving? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 What Reinhard says. I hope the doctrines let you modify your force with bonuses to shooting/punching/surviving? I agree. Either that or they completely rebuilt the source of rerolls. Which is way unlikely but pretty awesome to think about lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknife Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 I do hope they change the way bubbles work for marines. Always struck me as odd that a force supposedly meant to be maneuverable and agile is best suited to being clumped up together and remain static. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 i hope so too... but i dont expect that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 I doubt they'll change how marines apply rerolls as there's what, 5 loyalist books and 3 traitor ones that work off the same principal? Maybe the doctrines will allow for full rerolls for that unit type in the appropriate aura. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 Buff auras is one of the few good things we have but no one forcing us to use it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 I do agree that it would be nice if we didn't have an aura dependent army but the buffs were applied differently. I very much doubt that we will see that though. It's a 40K staple on design principle. Every army uses it really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joukernaut Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 It would already help if there were different ways to get buffs. building a couple small forces with different jobs and different buffs would already decrease the need to castle up. I personally dislike to castle, even if it is effective, so any opportunity to be effective without castling up is very welcome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hantheman Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 I mean it'll never happen but I'd love for interrogator-chaplains to get something special with their powers, not just -1 leadership Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 I like the war machine (can’t remember the name) but I’m disappointed it’s not a light dread, because now it won’t have wisdom of the ancients. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 I like the war machine (can’t remember the name) but I’m disappointed it’s not a light dread, because now it won’t have wisdom of the ancients. We don't know anything about its keywords. It's not impossible GW will just any Space Marine walker the Dreadnought keyword (though I wouldn't hold my breath either). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 I like the war machine (can’t remember the name) but I’m disappointed it’s not a light dread, because now it won’t have wisdom of the ancients. Acceptable and understandable given it isn't an ancient. It's a pretty expendable asset, all things considered. If it breaks down, you aren't abandoning a veteran of a thousand battles - you're just ditching a machine. We'll see if the points costs make that true in action as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 I’m sure it will have some cool rules, I just like how dreads allow an alternative to our need for lt’s and Captains everywhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 Jesus Christ gw do a rules preview already. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hantheman Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/05/space-marines-preview-enhanced-chapter-tacticsgw-homepage-post-1-2/Vehicles get chapter tactics. Ravenguard, smartly, don't get -1 to hit for vehicles, but are in cover Ultramarines the same? Iron Hands quite good- 6+++, overwatch on 5+, double wound marker for vehicles Salamanders is the best? Same reroll, but also ignore -1 AP on ranged weapons White scars can advance and charge + fall back and charge and ignore negatives t hit for assualt/heavy weapons Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 About bloody time. My DIY (IH) feel better about their chapter tactic now :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 Boom boom heretics! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 "Vehicles are terrible," you say? "Tanks are a waste of points," you say? Well brothers, have I got the solution for you! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hantheman Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 All of them are really good. Fair play GW Now make the Dark Angels one not complete bloody please Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 Alrighty then. This is pretty good. Looking forward to the preview tomorrow then. Whats everyones thoughts on the new Stalker? 5 man msu for holding objectives worth it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hantheman Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 Alrighty then. This is pretty good. Looking forward to the preview tomorrow then. Whats everyones thoughts on the new Stalker? 5 man msu for holding objectives worth it? Trying to work out what units it's good against. Alright vs other primaris Good vs eldar bikes or all types Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 Salamanders and Iron Hands are fantastic. Big winners. I could make a nastier Salamanders list out of my Ultras than actual Ultras now lol. I'll wait and see what the Ultras supplament is like Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/19/#findComment-5358996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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