Lemondish Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Why Fists ? I imagine theirs is likely to be heavily focused on the Devastator Doctrine. Rumours seem to imply as much. And as such, platforms carrying heavy weapons in spades will very much benefit. Plus, you don't fortify and siege with marines alone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5373863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 It’d be great if Fists can buff their heavy weapons. One thing I love about Ultramarines is they can trash Knights which is a big deal for competitive play. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5373880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 It’d be great if Fists can buff their heavy weapons. One thing I love about Ultramarines is they can trash Knights which is a big deal for competitive play. I mean, technically anything can fit here as long as it follows the whole siege theme. But still, I wager it'll be related to Devastator Doctrine. But boy do I want to know lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5373907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 For me it'll be Heavy doctrine = IH & IF Tactical doctrine = SL & CF Assault doctrine = RG & BT IH will get a way to ignore the movement penalty for heavy weapons, a group overwatch strat, a machine heal thy self strat and a technomancy discipline. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5373960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiñaColada Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 IIRC Reece (from frontline gaming, who's a known playtester if someone doesn't know who he is) said that the thought Imperial Fists and Iron Hands would probably be the most popular "because they hit like a truck". So fluffwise and rumourwise (I guess) those two getting buffs to the devastator doctrine makes sense.Who knows if those buffs are more centered around the passive buff to the doctrine or WTs/Stratagems/Relics etc however.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5373969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 I imagine Iron Hands getting an upgrade to their FNP or some other mechanic to make them durable. Reece did indeed say that IH and IF will be the most popular (in his opinion) once people have seen their supplements. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5373988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 to be honest... Reece said that Chaos Knights would be very good.... Now, we see that... NO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5374001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 to be honest... Reece said that Chaos Knights would be very good.... Now, we see that... NO. Chaos Knights are good, but they don't have allies quite as good as Guardsmen. I actually feel we've reached the tipping point of Knight popularity in general. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5374005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
momerathe Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 I'm hoping for a solid bonus to vehicles lists from the IH. Staying in devastator doctrine for a long while does raise the question of what you do with your troop though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5374025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Reece said that Chaos Knights would rock the tournament Scene... hmmm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5374037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Reece said that Chaos Knights would rock the tournament Scene... hmmm. This just shows no matter how experienced a tournament player is, no rules survive contact with the internet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5374072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy-inquisitor Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Reece said that Chaos Knights would rock the tournament Scene... hmmm. One of the majors last week was won by a chaos knight / CSM list. If you were expecting total domination from that comment then you were reading too much into it. He would have used stronger words if they were going to start cleaning up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5374091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Ideally none of the new books will be "cleaning up" I think GW have learned a lot about rule stacking that causes problems. You see it in the new Astartes codex. The book has lots of ways to modify hit/wound rolls, but bonus effects like extra hits or mortal wounds only occur on "unmodified" rolls of 6. I imagine the new books will simply serve to make more units viable, as opposed to having a few broken/overpowering combinations - like Alaitoc Flyers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5374093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Reece said that Chaos Knights would rock the tournament Scene... hmmm.One of the majors last week was won by a chaos knight / CSM list. If you were expecting total domination from that comment then you were reading too much into it. He would have used stronger words if they were going to start cleaning up. "Rock the tournament scene" are pretty strong words. It implies not just winning, but meta shifting. Reece has traditionally been the most positive and passionate of the community's celebrities, but that almost always comes with a bit of hyperbole. His comments can give us a hint of what's to come, but I really don't think it's wise to take his words at face value. However, when he says both those Chapters will hit hard and be very strong, it fits everything else we've heard. Boosts to the Devastator Doctrine will always be more valuable than boosts to any other by virtue of it being active from the very beginning of the match. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5374116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Because Repulsors and Impulsors are two different units. Nurglish Primaris units would be in revulsors :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5374154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxamato Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 What do you think about Anti-Knight options? What do we have, do take out a Knight seriously? Beside of Capt. Smash. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5374182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknife Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 That is what I've been struggling with in an all primaris list. Besides stacking executioners which then skews your list I cant find much. And I dont want any old marines in my list either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5374236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Are we expecting a pre-order announcement today for next week? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5374239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Ahahahhahahahahahhaha. No. Its the aeronautica thing. 2 months my dude. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5374241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Good call: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/25/coming-soon-a-new-age-of-aerial-combat/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=FW&utm_content=FWaeronautica25Aug Aeronautica Imperialis. -Sigh- Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5374242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Well the silver lining is that the BT box set might actually be true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5374243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Iron Father Bahadur Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 It seems silly to hold off on releasing at least the rest of the models but here we are. Seeya in October Phobos marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5374246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 They haven't sold out the UM supplement yet. C'mon ishagu buy the rest of them!!! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5374248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiñaColada Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Well, let's hope they bring out the big guns at NOVA then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5374249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Nova will be that stupid AoS army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/45/#findComment-5374250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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