Cpt.Danjou Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 I have used Long Fangs as my go to for filing up my heavy slots for a while now, and have been thinking of getting some more toys for those slots. But I am not sure what is good for their points. Hellblasters seems fine on paper, but Long Fangs seems more versatile, I am mostly using missile launcher ones. Predators seem weak and Land raiders are to expensive to use for the little they do, I am wondering what tactical use the different heavies we have? What are the Fang missing in the heavy category? Are we more or less forced to go to a soup list against knights and similar units? Cpt.Danjou Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357175-help-with-heavy-units/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrys Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 I think jump pack characters with thunderhammers can take out knights. Or wulfen. That doesn't answer your question, though. I use long fangs too. Maybe I would do predators if I had an all-armor/mech/dreads list, for target saturation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357175-help-with-heavy-units/#findComment-5347680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 I feel good about our heavies I guess. Between LFs, Mortis dreads, and leviathans I feel we have it ok when compared to codex marines. Esp factoring in stuff like keen sence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357175-help-with-heavy-units/#findComment-5347705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 We also now have eliminators which could help, target aura units so our cqc hits better Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357175-help-with-heavy-units/#findComment-5348160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 My current list is a snow flake I have 2 eliminators and a leviathan as my "heavy" Leviathan is pure awesome Eliminators are good finishing off the last wound and harassing weak support characters They are not killing units solo though. Basically get 3 bolter shots with AP1 or AP2 depending on ammo being used (never use frag rounds) Your question about what we need depends on the synergy with the rest of your list. I have 8 BS 2 lascannons from HQs dreads to compliment my heavy units I never feel i need more anti tank from the heavy slots. Once my saga of beast slayer activates even storm bolters and heavy flamers are painful to vehicles Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357175-help-with-heavy-units/#findComment-5348192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
killersquid Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 I find eliminators super hit or miss. They are great against GSC, because of all their characters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357175-help-with-heavy-units/#findComment-5348195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 I have found Hellblasters very good provided you have Bjorn or a Wolf Lord to provide them with rerolls. Long Fangs provide my long-ranged fire support while the Hellblasters move up with the Grey Hunters to provide that juicy double-tap at close range. I also like Razorbacks for extra dakka, particularly the twin assault cannon version. Predators are rather over-priced in this edition and Land Raiders even more so. Our flyers are good an decently shooty though. The Primaris Repulsors look interesting although I have not played them extensively yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357175-help-with-heavy-units/#findComment-5348348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Can someone verify if we can use the new Repulsor heavy tank versions? The battlescribe roster editors won't put it in because of some issue with the "Chapter" keyword. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357175-help-with-heavy-units/#findComment-5349044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Technically we cannot until there is an FAQ. It is likely there will be on as we get the sheet in apocalypse, however until FAQ all non codex chapters technically dont have access. This is because [chapter] cannot be replaced with SW, DA, GK, BA etc. And there is currently no way for us to get space wolves in the key words. Other primaris are specifically called out allowing this. This happens every primaris release because somehow gw struggles with this sort of thing. And we have yet to be excluded from primaris units so if its intended it'll be the first Battlescribe is right not to allow it in the unlikely event it was intentional they dont want to encourage people to buy something they cant use and they try to follow the rules as strictly as possible. I personally have emailed the FAQ team as I'm sure many others have but feel free to email them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357175-help-with-heavy-units/#findComment-5349130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Danjou Posted July 18, 2019 Author Share Posted July 18, 2019 As long as the new Repulsor is not on the GW Space wolves store site I am keeping away from it in my army. Cpt. Danjou Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357175-help-with-heavy-units/#findComment-5349175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 I got one, I expect there to be a faq when Marine Dex 2.0 launches covering the slew of units Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357175-help-with-heavy-units/#findComment-5349283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 GW really needs to just say that all Primaris models can be used by any Loyal Astartes and just leave it at that. I can't justify getting one of these new tanks just out of the slim chance that it isn't FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357175-help-with-heavy-units/#findComment-5349565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 GW really needs to just say that all Primaris models can be used by any Loyal Astartes and just leave it at that. I can't justify getting one of these new tanks just out of the slim chance that it isn't FAQ. Well we basically got a half measure from the OG primaris release. They kept our old structure and didn’t allow the apothecary but didn’t reaaaally give us anything in return. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357175-help-with-heavy-units/#findComment-5349688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacepup Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 I don't think hellblasters measure up to our Long Fangs. They are good, but the +1 to hit any unit called the target goes a long way. In one game my long fang pack armed with 2 lascannons and 2 plasma cannons were accounting for 1 flying tryanid flying creature a turn. Almost like they were shooting skeet. I always give them their own dedicated razorback. Depnding on points the razorback is twin lascannon or twin assault cannon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357175-help-with-heavy-units/#findComment-5353711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 I don't think hellblasters measure up to our Long Fangs. They are good, but the +1 to hit any unit called the target goes a long way. In one game my long fang pack armed with 2 lascannons and 2 plasma cannons were accounting for 1 flying tryanid flying creature a turn. Almost like they were shooting skeet. I always give them their own dedicated razorback. Depnding on points the razorback is twin lascannon or twin assault cannon. Long Fangs don't get +1 to hit Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357175-help-with-heavy-units/#findComment-5353736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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