Oshikai Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 Redacted Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5358204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 they removed the bjorn-stormraven quote from wh community site......coincidence??? Probably was meant to be revealed in a daily info drop? Or could've been incorrect Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5358262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 they removed the bjorn-stormraven quote from wh community site......coincidence??? Haha I saw that. Someone got in trouble. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5358276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 they removed the bjorn-stormraven quote from wh community site......coincidence???Haha I saw that. Someone got in trouble. I hope we get the option. As the idea of baby carriering the muderfang is silly Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5358294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 Honestly I kinda hope we don’t.... I don’t want to be fun police but in my mind if we got full codex access that’s step one in losing some uniqueness. I love the AoD stuff and I’m fun with using the main dex as a core like in 3rd ed. (Plus I don’t need to buy a crap load more) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5358297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 Honestly I kinda hope we don’t.... I don’t want to be fun police but in my mind if we got full codex access that’s step one in losing some uniqueness. I love the AoD stuff and I’m fun with using the main dex as a core like in 3rd ed. (Plus I don’t need to buy a crap load more) Well soon find out. My guess by thursd Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5358337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 I hope we get all the goodies and the +1 attack applies to Wulfen. They have the Astartes keyword so this should absolutely apply to them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5358392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 Wolf Guard are potentially 6 attacks each now :) (AOD Wulfen Arjac Saga) Thunderwolf Cav just got scary Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5358507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 OK, this looks potentially like a lot of fun. I have held off getting any Wulfen as I thought the models looked silly but some converted Reivers as people have done on other threads could seriously tempt me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5358510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rums Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 I've been posting a lot today, probably sounding a tad preachy, but +1 A, is golden, makes all wulfen builds better, 4-A for hammers, 5-A for axes and claws, plus re-rolling wounds for claws, and with a plus 1 to hit re-rolling wounds is big, S-5 with re-rolls can hurt, and I mean hurt, vehicles this edition, TWC with wc are super dangerous withers the new rule Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5362215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalwolf Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 My personal take is that giving SW access to everything might mean our codex is not due for a renewal anytime soon. Faqing all new marine rules into SW as well as units might be gw way of keeping wolves competitive until our new codex drops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5365732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniWolf Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 With regards to the +1 Attack for TWC, would this be +1A for the rider and the mount or would you have to choose which one got the +1A? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5365828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 With regards to the +1 Attack for TWC, would this be +1A for the rider and the mount or would you have to choose which one got the +1A? Almost certainly the rider. The mount does not really have stat line of its own, it just provides 3 bonus attacks. My personal take is that giving SW access to everything might mean our codex is not due for a renewal anytime soon. I don't think we are getting everything. I think it has been clarified that we are getting access to the new Primaris units (Incursors, Impulsors etc). They did initially say we would be getting all SM units but very quickly retracted that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5365830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewolf81 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 They confirmed we are getting shock assault and datasheets/points for new primaris.... We will be lucky to get all the new point changes (it seems unlikely)... They pretty much confirmed we are not getting access to other sm units and honestly why would we... We have our own unique stuff..outdated/overcosted but still unique Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5365857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 With regards to the +1 Attack for TWC, would this be +1A for the rider and the mount or would you have to choose which one got the +1A? This came up in the FB group before and if memory serves RAW you can choose the mount. Though really it should be the rider. And the rider should be equipped with a better weapon than s5 ap -1 most of the time anyway :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5365897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 They confirmed we are getting shock assault and datasheets/points for new primaris.... We will be lucky to get all the new point changes (it seems unlikely)... They pretty much confirmed we are not getting access to other sm units and honestly why would we... We have our own unique stuff..outdated/overcosted but still unique I dont see a reason the point changes would be unlikely. We share so many units and some are so close that the point change is obvious. I think we will get s points update Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5365905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 +1 atk on t wolves with chainswords and storm shields I think. The same loadout for a squad of wolfgaurd also I'm thinking, maybe with pocket hammers/fists? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5365907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewolf81 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Those changes will probably be included in the chapter approved...the pdfs (because they are free) they will be minimal..:) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5365912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 They did re-release our warlord traits in a free PDF, completely overwriting the book, so I'm hopeful that the new PDF will be relatively comprehensive. Imo they should include updated points values, shock assault, and hopefully some rule that allows us to not cancel combat doctrines for codex marines by merely operating alongside them. I like running combined operations with my Wolves and Ultras. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5366080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 One thing I noticed was on the successor tactics listed in the marine book is basically the heroic intervention part of our chapter tactic, so I'm hoping they let us those options for our successors. Its probably too much to hope for in a pdf though (I'm kinda torn because I can make primaris successor make more sense with the new book lol). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5366089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 So, Stormraven for Space Wolves confirmed which probably means everything else as well: ** Yes, that includes Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Dark Angels! Have you ever wanted to carry Bjorn the Fell-Handed or Murderfang to battle using a Stormraven Gunship? Well, now you can! Well dang. I missed that one. Will have to see what changes when we get our dex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5369435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 So, Stormraven for Space Wolves confirmed which probably means everything else as well: ** Yes, that includes Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Dark Angels! Have you ever wanted to carry Bjorn the Fell-Handed or Murderfang to battle using a Stormraven Gunship? Well, now you can! Well dang. I missed that one. Will have to see what changes when we get our dex. were not getting it, they removed that part from the warcom, but forgot to edit the copy paste from the actual webstore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5369458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greysquigg Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Sorry if I'm being slow, but does this mean our wulfen get another attack on the charge? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5369616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Yup Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5369619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Yeah only servitors and Fen wolves miss out on the attack. One thing I noticed was on the successor tactics listed in the marine book is basically the heroic intervention part of our chapter tactic, so I'm hoping they let us those options for our successors. Its probably too much to hope for in a pdf though (I'm kinda torn because I can make primaris successor make more sense with the new book lol). I think if you want full primaris successors a la wolf spear then currently your best bet is to take the codex marine book. You can make a pretty wolf CT out of those options and as long as you aren't using the wolf units anyway the buffs of the new book are probably way worth it. I do think in the codex, when we get one, wolf spear will be discussed, maybe even given rules and a tactic, but until then codex can get you by for pure primaris. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357503-shock-assault-new-astartes-rule/page/2/#findComment-5369630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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