Wolf Lord Loki Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Hey guys With the advent of this new rule anyone thinking about changes to their lists to take advantage of it? I am in the middle of a close combat themed squad at the moment so it's pretty fortuitous. Great plague cleavers got a boost. With just one attack a powerfist equivalent was a bit 'swing and a miss'. I don't feel so bad about taking 2 in an anti-tank type squad now. Axe/ mace combo- yup they gonna whale on anything that gets close Flails..... Oooh boy. Yeah that's going to be a bit overpowered... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrypie Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 We are slow, so flails aren't going to be overpowered but very effective. If our melee has thus far dented squads, actually wiping them might now be in the cards more often. In general, I'm stoked. Terminators became a lot scarier, which is great as I love running them, and Rhino rushing melee squads of PM's might get more wind under its wings now. It's high time to start making some... :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5360332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Wait, does shock assault apply to chaos? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5360395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcshafterson Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Wait, does shock assault apply to chaos? It does, they posted that Chaos Marines will have access to it. So hopefully it'll work with Chaos Space Marine infantry, bikers, Terminators, and Helbrutes. Time will tell. it will work with Chaos Space Marine infantry, bikers, terminators, and Helbrutes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5360439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrypie Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 They will soonishly release an errata document with the proper rules for how and who gets it, as stated in one of the articles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5360491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemetriiTZ Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 They also claim our vehicles will gain chapter traits, so Inexorable will suddenly make stuff like upgunned Rhinos and such worth another look too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5360560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 If the vehicles get inexorable then DG predators suddenly got very strong, as would all the daemon engines with heavy weapons!! As for shock assault it's really nice, especially with an Arch Contaminator nearby as all the melee options are plague and thus have so many buffing opportunities. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5360584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 I think with the changes to shock assault, we almost need to include a flail of corruption into all PM squads. The 2d3 swings would add crunch to the unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5360692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 A Blightlord with flail could kill up to 18 single wound infantry in melee now on perfect rolls, not including potential DTTFE. That’s what I want from my Marines, lemme tell you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5360720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombs Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 They also claim our vehicles will gain chapter traits, so Inexorable will suddenly make stuff like upgunned Rhinos and such worth another look too. Wait really? Where did you get this info? PBC would become even better, shotting at 4+ rerolling 1s when mooving. Anyway, the attack boost imo makes our marines even better jack of all trades. I would include 1 flail in each squad. We can respond to threats even better with that + arch-contaminator. Evert squad becomes almost self sufficient. Terminators are way scarier, but the problem of getting them to the fight sadly remains. Maybe warptime could become a staple now that melee is better? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5361622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Loki Posted August 8, 2019 Author Share Posted August 8, 2019 It's Ben said in a few places regarding the new chapter traits that they will apply to all. How that will be implemented in the new codex space marine will be interesting to see. Like wise we will have to see how Shock Assault and legion tactics tricky down through the chaos ranks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5361638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 The search for flails begins. Maybe we could counts as the icon that comes in the plague marine kit as a flail substitute? I'm sure they will go for a mint now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5361805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBiscuit Raider Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 My biggest fear is that our Legion trait won't affect the PBC, the excuse being that it's a daemon engine not piloted by a marine unlike the Predator. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5362303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Officer Doofy Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 I'll believe chaos space marines and specifically death guard chapter tactics apply to all units when I see it. And even if chaos space marines eventually get it, that isn't a garuntee death guard will either being a separate codex and all. Anyone have an official link rather than speculations? Don't get me wrong, I would love if it does apply to the whole codex, makes us that much stronger. I'm just tired of getting my hopes up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5362555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombs Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Ye same here. Just compare our "chaos 2.0" with this SM update and you can clearly see the disparity between how loyalist and CSM are treated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5362610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 GW has said that we are only getting Shock Assault numerous times. Unless the outcry has changed their minds, which is very unlikely in the short term, no CSM faction will get traits on vehicles, most likely because they would have to re-work numerous sub-factions (e.g. Word Bearers) whose abilities would not transfer across. Don't get your hopes up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5362619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Loki Posted August 9, 2019 Author Share Posted August 9, 2019 Depending on how marines get treated I wouldn't necessarily be adverse to death guard being rolled into a supliment codex if they did something similar with the Chaos dex. We aren't that much different to the other legions Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5362709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Officer Doofy Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Point for point chaos space marines were not far off from space marines. Now that chapter tactics are better and applying to all units, it's very unbalanced. Word Bearer's legion trait is a joke and built into all normal space marines already... I'm surprised chaos even got shock assault to be honest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5362718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hathor42 Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 I tried it last night a unit of blightlords with a flail tore through a custodes squad thanks to the flails 3d3 attacks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5363265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Loki Posted August 10, 2019 Author Share Posted August 10, 2019 I wouldnt be at all surprised if flails get FAQed to not be able to use it. Flails are an obvious bonus to Shock Assault what do people think about the rest of the plague weapons? Edit- will you use more cc weapons or would you just use what you have already but with extra attacks? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5363417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Even plain old plague knifes will be more effective. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5363423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Officer Doofy Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 @Wolf Lord Loki I would not gear normal plague marines for melee but taking a group of 10 Blightlords and casting blades of putrefaction, using Votlw and now with shock assault seems very promising. I can see if someone has a large group of PM that is trying to pull off a blight bombardment would benefit from it afterwards on the charge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5363515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombs Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 In theory It All sounds op, but in reality how many times are the blightlords gonna make that charge vs a good opponent? Imo marines are the one that benefits more. You don't necessarily have to search for melee, but when the necessity arise... 2-4 D3 flail shots can come handy. Also you can take all bolters and still have 2 attacks that reroll to wound. This Is how I see It at least in my experience. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5363542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBiscuit Raider Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 I certainly hope that something similar to Doctrines comes to Chaos in the future, call it Rites of War or somthing, to reflect the tactics of the old legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5363856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 I dont think you really need a dedicated melee squad. A one off flail per squad does feel almost mandatory. Its benefits outweigh its costs. That being said, I've never been a fan of all melee squads. Giving up shooting hasn't been something I've ever wanted to do though. Then again my meta is kinda spread out and bolters are more versatile. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357567-shock-assault/#findComment-5364138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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