sultansean Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Is anyone contemplating taking the aegis defence line to insure that your infantry is in cover? I think it's not a bad option considering the relatively long range of intercessors. Spread the line across your deployment zone and now your intercessors are -1 to hit with 2+ saves. Particularly if you are going to a tournament you know is going to be lacking in terrain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357711-aegis-defence-line/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorNese Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 For the -1, a unit has to be "in a terrain feature". Being close to a terrain feature that grants cover to nearby units probably doesn't count, as unintuitive as it may be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357711-aegis-defence-line/#findComment-5367311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Closet Skeleton Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Adjacent to a terrain feature is in a terrain feature so that's restrictive but not a non-starter. Tournaments with bad terrain also tend to have inconsistent terrain so you can't 'know' ahead of time how bad it will be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357711-aegis-defence-line/#findComment-5367341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorNese Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Adjacent to a terrain feature is in a terrain feature so that's restrictive but not a non-starter. Where is that written exactly? Rules this edition are all over the place (and terrain rules not exactly intuitive at times), so I'm not familiar with that one. And the ADL is a terrain kit that doesn't really allow putting something on it, except for people who use putty. Off-topic side note, that's something I've already seen - people trying to put units into terrain with 75% of the base hanging over the abyss, just to get into CC or cover. "Where's the rule against it? I can fit that model there...just don't touch the table, it might fall over." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357711-aegis-defence-line/#findComment-5367366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Quixote Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Wow, are tournaments actually run only using the basic terrain rule? That makes me want to never ever go to one. From what I've seen terrain can be really sparse as it is. I would assume an Aegis Defence Line would be at least treated as a barricade in the expanded (for me, normal) terrain rules. So the (INFANTRY) unit needs to be within 1" of it and gains cover if the barricade is between you and the firer. Assaulting units only need to be within 2" to get into cc if the barricade is between them. Weren't the rules for it in an Index? - one I don't have unfortunately. As long as the barricade isn't really wide there's no problem. I'd take one every time if the tournament accepts their use. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357711-aegis-defence-line/#findComment-5367406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorNese Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 It's not about the cover, it's about the -1. For that, the models have to be in a terrain feature, not in cover, not just close (within 1") to a terrain feature. Which I would interpret as standing with the base on the piece of added terrain - craters, buildings and such would be clear-cut in that regard, but balancing a base on a piece of wall wouldn't really work. Being next to a barricade and receiving cover by its special rule doesn't count as far as I would interpret that rule, unless ADL has a rule that the unit in question counts as being in a terrain feature. Which isn't really a thing, because until now it never mattered. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357711-aegis-defence-line/#findComment-5367414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Quixote Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Ah, thanks for clearing that up, I've tracked down the index rules and you're right, the way it's worded you wouldn't get the -1 to hit. The defence line is worded the same as the barricade rules in the expanded terrain rules as I guessed. It wouldn't be as good as sultansean hoped then, but maybe still something to consider for just the 2+ saves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357711-aegis-defence-line/#findComment-5367426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Captain Vyper Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I share the same interpretation as MajorNesse in this instance, and its one of the concerns I had when we Initially got the leaks for these CTs. In the vein of the OP, I have been mulling over some Brigade/Double Batt RG lists, some of which include a Skyshield Landing Pad, which is a terrain feature you can easily be IN and also serves as a great FOV. As far as terrain rules goes, I wouldn't be dissuaded from playing in tournaments, I would just keep in mind that every TO/Tournament is different, and the rules (in the Core book) are poorly written, so its very open to interpretation - this is one of the principal reasons the ITC exists (and to a lesser extent the ETC). That all being said - if your local FLGS or Club plays a lot of games on Planet Bowling Ball, you may want to consider going the successor (or other FF Chapter) route - as half our CT will be virtually useless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357711-aegis-defence-line/#findComment-5367507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewarriorhunter Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 The skyshield landing pad is an interesting idea and one Forge the Narrative was discussing on the latest episode. They were talking about it and how if you put a repulsor or one of the other vehicles that adds negatives to your opponents charge you have a very hard to get to egg that holds a lot of firepower. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357711-aegis-defence-line/#findComment-5367945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Sounds interesting :) I have to keep in mind some stores/tournaments don't allow FW stuff because I like my Xiphons. I'm more into creating multiple forts than I am a castle though. In my opinion (yes I spelled it all out) castling up in one location tends to make you predictable and limits your ability to take Objectives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357711-aegis-defence-line/#findComment-5367959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sultansean Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 Yeah, based on the actual wording for the ADL it probably doesn't really work. It does say that after it is placed it becomes "terrain" and based on normal ITC terrain rules if the whole unit was touching the ADL then the unit would be "within" a terrain feature. Is the sky shield a piece of "terrain"? It doesn't say it is on it's data sheet, and I don't know the fortification rules well enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357711-aegis-defence-line/#findComment-5368440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Captain Vyper Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Yeah, based on the actual wording for the ADL it probably doesn't really work. It does say that after it is placed it becomes "terrain" and based on normal ITC terrain rules if the whole unit was touching the ADL then the unit would be "within" a terrain feature. Is the sky shield a piece of "terrain"? It doesn't say it is on it's data sheet, and I don't know the fortification rules well enough. Does anyone really though? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357711-aegis-defence-line/#findComment-5368515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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