Panzer Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 I’m just getting confused with all the rules, errata, new codices, new models, buffing/nerfing cycle, etc. Not really a complaint just an observation. We need one long list of all rules in one simple place I guess. The FAQ page at GW doesn’t do it as I have to reference all sorts of different things. Not much changed for us to be honest. We have our Codex and the FAQs. That's it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357742-new-blood-angel-rules/page/4/#findComment-5381166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother_b Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 I’m just getting confused with all the rules, errata, new codices, new models, buffing/nerfing cycle, etc. Not really a complaint just an observation. We need one long list of all rules in one simple place I guess. The FAQ page at GW doesn’t do it as I have to reference all sorts of different things. Not much changed for us to be honest. We have our Codex and the FAQs. That's it. Maybe for you panzer but for me ugh I’m having a hard time with it... not just BA but everything; marines, chaos,etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357742-new-blood-angel-rules/page/4/#findComment-5381178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkhanist Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Welcome to the new simplicity of 8th edition! Most rules in one book, rules for models in three more (codex, index, forgeworld index), (some) points in a 5th, some model rules, points and changes in Errata for all 5, plus a couple of extra 'big update' FAQs for fun. And that's for just one faction, god forbid you take allies. Now we just need 9th to tidy it all up and bring in a new, simplified edition... Seriously though, a big part of it is the index and forgeworld books for 'legacy/rare' models instead of keeping them in the codexes where they should be. I'd also much prefer if they completely put the points in CA, instead of just the changes. I'll forgive the FAQs as I'd much rather have updates, scattered around as they are, than the 'wait for a new book' from previously where major issues would go unfixed for years. It wouldn't kill them to consolidate the FAQs somewhat though, so I don't have to check the FAQ for the main rules, the codex, CA, the index and the new 'space marines changes' FAQ for where I saw a particular answer. So....according to the new Errata ( https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/warhammer_40000_space_marines_errata_en.pdf ), Chaplain Dreadnoughts for all chapters that can use them (that’s us) get the <Priest> keyword added which gives them access to Litanies from Codex: Space Marines.There is no verbiage that says “only chapters in C:SM” or such.Loophole!Looks like Litanies are on the menu, boys!Of course this is very likely to change, the not least b/c it’s likely an oversight, but also b/c the GW/FW coordination is abysmal these days. So have fun while it lasts, but Chaplain Dreads are reeeeeeally good for us at the moment. This came up in the other thread, but the Litanies are in the 'these rules don't apply to Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves' section, same as stratagems etc. Given the Space Marine Codex FAQ blocks us from applying marine strats to Blood Angels Adeptus Astartes units because of that stabdard blurb (despite the older main rulebook FAQ contradicting that when they're in separate detachments and the wording hasn't changed, so grr) the reasonable interpretation is we can't gain access to the Litanies either for the same reason. Chaplain Dread still gets a 3+ litany of hate he didn't have before, so it's not all bad. Chaplain on a bike got though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357742-new-blood-angel-rules/page/4/#findComment-5381190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majkhel Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 DAs are supposed to get Primaris bikes in the nearest future though... Yeah, I miss the simplicity we had at the beginnig of the edition :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357742-new-blood-angel-rules/page/4/#findComment-5381309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 DAs are supposed to get Primaris bikes in the nearest future though... Is that a solid rumour or just someone jumping the gun after the latest WD mentioned a Primaris Marine making it into the Ravenwing? If the latter then it could simply be that we will see Ravenwing Inceptors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357742-new-blood-angel-rules/page/4/#findComment-5381583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 DAs are supposed to get Primaris bikes in the nearest future though... Is that a solid rumour or just someone jumping the gun after the latest WD mentioned a Primaris Marine making it into the Ravenwing? If the latter then it could simply be that we will see Ravenwing Inceptors. There's nothing concrete about it but I've seen plenty people talking about it as if it's confirmed after the White Dwarf leak despite it not naming any specific Primaris units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357742-new-blood-angel-rules/page/4/#findComment-5381605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majkhel Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Unfortunately it's nothing confirmed :( The only clue is that there are Primaris in Ravenwing (and Deathwing). But as you say Karhedron - these may as well be Ravenwing Inceptors or Vanguard. After all, why make bikes for Ravenwing, when there were none for White Scars yet? To follow a bit more on the off-topic: I very much agree that the complexity of the rules and number of exceptions from them has increased significantly in last few months. As for the BA rules, I think it may be that we only get a few things BA-specific twists, plus a fancy names (hopefully without the word "blood") for others with the same workings as other C:SMs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357742-new-blood-angel-rules/page/4/#findComment-5381621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 DAs are supposed to get Primaris bikes in the nearest future though... Is that a solid rumour or just someone jumping the gun after the latest WD mentioned a Primaris Marine making it into the Ravenwing?If the latter then it could simply be that we will see Ravenwing Inceptors. There's nothing concrete about it but I've seen plenty people talking about it as if it's confirmed after the White Dwarf leak despite it not naming any specific Primaris units. :rolleyes: So nothing new on that front. :D some people seem to be forgetting the salt with their dinner... :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357742-new-blood-angel-rules/page/4/#findComment-5381625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 New RG details ( https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/10/preview-sons-of-coraxgw-homepage-post-4/ ) means that a Raven Guard smash captain is literally +1* to our BA Smash captains when fighting <Character> s. -RG CTp3 = +1 To Hit and To Wound vs <Characters> -Shadowstep WLT = no Overwatch -Raven's Fury relic = re-roll the dice (much better than just failed rolls) when charging and on a 4+ causes a Mortal Wound I don't like to get jealous at other kids' birthdays, but between the White Scars and RG, our own goodies are looking a bit less special. I'm glad to spread the wealth, but I also want to make sure that we BA have our own unique competitive edge. I have a feeling that since BA (more specifically Smash Captains) were one of the few "working" things about Astartes, the devs have decided to try to incorporate what made them so good and spread them around to other factions as well. I just hope we get something juicy when it's our turn. *+2 if you consider the "free" MW Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357742-new-blood-angel-rules/page/4/#findComment-5385864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klod Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Those things do fit RG pretty well though. Even if it takes away a little bit from our uniqueness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357742-new-blood-angel-rules/page/4/#findComment-5385884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Our Smash Captain still gets +1A from being DC and +1d3 attacks via Stratagem and, probably the most important difference, a 3d6 charge out of reserves stratagem. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357742-new-blood-angel-rules/page/4/#findComment-5385912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolchiate Remembrancer Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 I hope whatever comes next for us, it isn't just about the captain. Were a chapter not a model... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357742-new-blood-angel-rules/page/4/#findComment-5386064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoulius Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Our Smash Captain still gets +1A from being DC and +1d3 attacks via Stratagem and, probably the most important difference, a 3d6 charge out of reserves stratagem. Oh yeah our are defenitly alot more manouvrable and we got alot more options mobility wise. I mean you could also start him on the table and use the strat (forget the name) to give him a move before the 1st turn. Very usefull if you go first to get a sneaky 1st turn charge in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357742-new-blood-angel-rules/page/4/#findComment-5386090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 You forgot the RG version of Wings of Fire/Da Jump. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357742-new-blood-angel-rules/page/4/#findComment-5386236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 You forgot the RG version of Wings of Fire/Da Jump. ...which is a Psychic power, so pros/cons. Big drawbacks are that A. It can fail at being cast B. It requires two characters to do what one of ours can Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357742-new-blood-angel-rules/page/4/#findComment-5386250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 You forgot the RG version of Wings of Fire/Da Jump. ...which is a Psychic power, so pros/cons. Big drawbacks are that A. It can fail at being cast B. It requires two characters to do what one of ours can C. it can be denied D. the target character needs to be in range of the other character on top of both having to be alive (so an extension of B.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357742-new-blood-angel-rules/page/4/#findComment-5386254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slothysaur Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 So the power can fail in a few ways, but it still needed to be mentioned as it does exist. With good player behind the wheel much of the ways it can not happen can be mitigated e.g. placement and rerolls for examples. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357742-new-blood-angel-rules/page/4/#findComment-5387258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 DAs are supposed to get Primaris bikes in the nearest future though...Is that a solid rumour or just someone jumping the gun after the latest WD mentioned a Primaris Marine making it into the Ravenwing?If the latter then it could simply be that we will see Ravenwing Inceptors. There's nothing concrete about it but I've seen plenty people talking about it as if it's confirmed after the White Dwarf leak despite it not naming any specific Primaris units. So nothing new on that front. some people seem to be forgetting the salt with their dinner... Jumping back to that, from the WD preview, it's just an Index Astartes DA, and saying how they adapted to the Primaris, a story about a primaris being interviewed by the Inner Circle, and how to paint a deathwing redemptor. Zero about new models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357742-new-blood-angel-rules/page/4/#findComment-5387288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dread05 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Yea that WD article was just a very vague way to say that primaris are in the deathwing and the ravenwing without having to explain stuff. You can pretty much ignore it imo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357742-new-blood-angel-rules/page/4/#findComment-5387734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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