Ultramarine vet Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Chaplains! Boy, did they change for the better. Was really hoping "regular" space marines didn't get left behind, and they didn't! Anyways, on to my question. So, the litanies are recited at the beginning of the battle round. But that's a bit of a problem, potentially. What if you wanted to use Canticle of hate on an assault squad before it jump packs onto the table 9" away? Does it have to say whether you need to be on the table or not? If the chaplain can't, then I'll be a little disappointed with that particular litany. I'll just go without it in favor of a +1 to hit in melee or something. Let's talk about it guys! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357821-chaplain-litanies/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Yes the units have to be on the table. Units that aren't on the table can't use any abilities and you can't target any units that aren't on the table with abilities either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357821-chaplain-litanies/#findComment-5371013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultramarine vet Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 Figured. Well, that is disappointing. That litany can still be good, but not as good as I hoped for. At least I can still use the custom chapter tactic for the +1 to charge rolls. Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357821-chaplain-litanies/#findComment-5371015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Let's not have this diverge into a tactics discussion please. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357821-chaplain-litanies/#findComment-5371156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kallas Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Important note for Canticle of Hate: it's an "aura" Litany, which means only the Chaplain needs to be on the table to "be inspiring." Any units that are within 6" of the Chaplain at the relevant time (ie, the Charge and Fight phases) will benefit, even if they were not on the table when the Litany was "inspiring." There are, essentially, two kinds of Litanies: Auras, such as Canticles of Hate and Litany of Hate, that work as long as the Chaplain is on the board to use them Targeted buffs, such as Mantra of Strength and Recitation of Focus, that require both the Chaplain and the target unit to be on the table at the start of the battle round. In the instance of the Chaplain buffing the Assault Squad with Canticle of Hate: the Chaplain himself will need to be on the table at the start of the battle round, but the Assault Squad can deploy via their Jump Pack Assault rule and still benefit from the bonus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357821-chaplain-litanies/#findComment-5371984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultramarine vet Posted August 29, 2019 Author Share Posted August 29, 2019 Important note for Canticle of Hate: it's an "aura" Litany, which means only the Chaplain needs to be on the table to "be inspiring." Any units that are within 6" of the Chaplain at the relevant time (ie, the Charge and Fight phases) will benefit, even if they were not on the table when the Litany was "inspiring." There are, essentially, two kinds of Litanies: Auras, such as Canticles of Hate and Litany of Hate, that work as long as the Chaplain is on the board to use them Targeted buffs, such as Mantra of Strength and Recitation of Focus, that require both the Chaplain and the target unit to be on the table at the start of the battle round. In the instance of the Chaplain buffing the Assault Squad with Canticle of Hate: the Chaplain himself will need to be on the table at the start of the battle round, but the Assault Squad can deploy via their Jump Pack Assault rule and still benefit from the bonus. Very good point Kallas!! I did not think of that. So the chaplain just has to make to inspiring roll, doesn't matter if they are there when it happens. Kind of like Null Zone for the librarian. Nice. Well my strategy still has a shot. Gonna try it once I get a couple more assault squads. If I'm understanding correctly, I cannot have assault doctrine active until round 3, which is a considerably long time for several squads to be in reserve. And it is, in my mind, pretty essential. So still thinking to be done for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357821-chaplain-litanies/#findComment-5376635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 So if a Chaplain jumps out of a transport, the Litany can not be activated in that turn, by that Chaplain? What about Canticle of Hate and using the Stratagem to reroll a dice, rerolling a charge distance dice? Please excuse grammar. spelling mistakes and such. Edit, wrong word. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357821-chaplain-litanies/#findComment-5380599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluejayJunior Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 No, the litany cannot be activated. They are only activated at the beginning of the battle round. If the chaplain is in a transport, then it is not considered on the table and cannot use a litany. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357821-chaplain-litanies/#findComment-5380784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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